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| Quote: batleyrhino "Coaches generally get too much credit when things are going well, and too much criticism when they are not...
At Leeds it seems to be the players that are responsible when we win, and the coach is responsible when we lose.
I'm not the biggest fan of BMD, but he does come in for some unfair criticism at times.'"
I think in the past that is true. With the squad we have currently, I dissagree with you. That performance on Friday was definitely an influence from McDermott, it had to be, although he must have had big help. The team named was not on paper the best we have had, but he certainly had them fired up and working.
On Monday that performance was again his doing. If not tactics, then simply his stupidity in selections and how he flogs people to death. It is not a mistake he makes once, he constantly does it, and learns absolutely nothing. He is fully accountable on that.
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "I never said I wasn't bothered about the loss. Nowhere did I use those words. The loss irritated me, but there's no point getting too upset when we are still 3rd.
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That's how i fee, a missed opportunity but i never thought we would be in such a good position at this stage with Wigan still losing games, Warrington shot and Salford and Wakey in the 4!
Important now to put this right behind us and bounce straight back with a win on Friday, this can be quickly swept under the carpet thankfully.
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| Quote: Biff Tannen "That's how i fee, a missed opportunity but i never thought we would be in such a good position at this stage with Wigan still losing games, Warrington shot and Salford and Wakey in the 4!
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A look at the predictions thread could be interesting at this point, I doubt many have more than 4/5 right
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| Quote: TheSnowmonkey "After the Wire matches comments not just here but elsewhere were very positive n rightly so...Consensus seems to be that it was one of the best team performances since the treble winning side. Defence was rock solid especially in the first half. Yeah Wire were not at their best but Leeds put untold pressure on them to add to their woes forcing them not only to make more errors but sap the life out of them . So much so they didn't even bother to protest at decisions. If they knocked on..normally you might go no not me...as with Atkins...yeah n give up. In attack Leeds were fast ,playing beautiful rugby..everything seemed to gel...the players were working for each other, they looked relaxed even show boating..It was wonderful to watch. However there was no comments on tactics or praise for Mac that he had got things right.
Don't get me wrong I am hacked off by the loss to Widnes, I agree that his use of the bench was baffling...If you go back before the CC match when the Bradford 4 loan was announced I felt it wrong because the number of fixtures would take their toll...CC, MW..Wire, Widnes n Leigh...( mind that nothing compared to fixtures in Lewis Jones day) ..Mind even Mac at the time said it was a huge gamble to take...but he pointed out if we had kept them..they were not used until one match..then they would not be able to cope...Was the Bradford alone something he really wanted or more GH's as he is keen on seeing Bradford survive.
Back to Widnes match...yes use of the bench was maybe not the best ..but I am not Mac so don't know his reasons...The players out their on pitch need to take responsibility...after the loss to Giants when team were trying to play expansive rugby in wet conditions. Mac eluded to the fact that that was not what was coached...he doesn't tell them to make the errors or give away needless penalties..especially against a new ref who you don't know how he going to judge it...in 1st half he called up Burrow to put them on a team warning...Mac can advise at half time this is what we need to do...( though at that point we were still in the lead if marginally) once they took to the pitch it was down to them...as Roy Francis use to say when his teams floundered..you dug the hole ..now you get out of it...yes they might have been tired but then they should play it simple do basics to get win...the defence which was strong on Friday was ragged..they created the gaps needlessly that allowed Widnes to score...you could see them coming.
It possible that Leeds team put too much effort into win over Wire that they sapped their own strength...but then other teams are in the same boat...Ok Cas does not have many injured but don't think they rested any players in all matches...so still say it down to players as well...
For the record ( ok I know they wouldn't blame Mac for tactics.) but they are first to acknowledge they screwed up..they made the errors ,where not sharp enough or did not execute the game plan...yet fans are quick to shove the blame on Mac?
We have a lifeline....we are still 3rd !!!!!! which is far better than any pundit or fan predicted pre season...as someone else said the 2015 team lost matches they should have won....they also won matches which were not always the most scintillating to watch. June is fast approaching..which means the loan deal is coming to an end...asides CS who would probably benefit from another spell the rest can be brought back. Still a long way to go tis seasons end.'"
Macca will never get credit from the self proclaimed experts on here. Rhinos win.....and the players did what was expected and the coach had help (from where...I haven't got a scooby), Leeds lose and it was entirely the coach's fault. We have a squad at the moment, that isn't as good as we have been used to for the last several years, BUT we are are competing at the right end of the table. For the record, I respect Macca and hold him in high regard for what he has jointly achieved with players and staff at the club. Once his tenure is complete and we have a new coach whomever it will be, he will receive the same support from me and mine as the previous incumbent. As it currently is, Macca is our coach and no whining or bellyaching will change that, we will take the rough with the smooth and see where we end up. For any fans who can remember the "Bridesmaid years" like myself, I've enjoyed the last fifteen years immensely and am looking forward to the future with a big smile.
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| as I've said plenty of times he's got a brilliant record and I've said on here he's done a fantastic job. however occasionally, and its happened a good few times, he does something so bloody daft you wonder what he's thinking. Mondays use, or non use, of subs was one of those times.
as such when he does things like that he deserves criticism, as he does praise when he get things right.
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| Quote: rhino65 "Macca will never get credit from the self proclaimed experts on here. Rhinos win.....and the players did what was expected and the coach had help (from where...I haven't got a scooby), Leeds lose and it was entirely the coach's fault. We have a squad at the moment, that isn't as good as we have been used to for the last several years, BUT we are are competing at the right end of the table. For the record, I respect Macca and hold him in high regard for what he has jointly achieved with players and staff at the club. Once his tenure is complete and we have a new coach whomever it will be, he will receive the same support from me and mine as the previous incumbent. As it currently is, Macca is our coach and no whining or bellyaching will change that, we will take the rough with the smooth and see where we end up. For any fans who can remember the "Bridesmaid years" like myself, I've enjoyed the last fifteen years immensely and am looking forward to the future with a big smile.'"
Absolutely spot on post. It's one thing for some to want him to move on or criticise his choices but some clearly actively dislike like, insult him and give him little to zero credit and then accuse him of arrogance even though he places the credit for successes on players, staff and management more than any other coach whilst downplaying his role.
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| I agree BM gets too much stick, but at the same time he brings some criticism on himself. The non-use of subs is farcial, as is not properly spelling players during games. The game is genuinely a 17 man game, and has been for over a decade. Regularly picking subs and either not using them or giving them 5 minutes is poor coaching, no matter how you dress it up.
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| I see Powell is going to rest some of his first team players against Saints on Sunday as they will be playing 3 games in 10 days.
Whilst other teams are playing 3 games in 8 days.
Maybe when the international was being played al teams should have just carried on playing their normal fixtures like they do in the NRL.
In Leeds case the loss of Watkins and Hall should be nothing instead of flogging 10/12 per team for three games in a short period of time.
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| In fairness Powell can rest players. Cas lose and it is no real hardship. We can't afford another loss against Leigh and really can't afford a loss a against Wakefield either. Rest them against fev
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "In fairness Powell can rest players. Cas lose and it is no real hardship. We can't afford another loss against Leigh and really can't afford a loss a against Wakefield either. Rest them against fev'"
Powelll has been rotating his team throughout the season, that's why he is where he is, and why he can afford to lose if it happens.
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| Quote: Gotcha "Powelll has been rotating his team throughout the season, that's why he is where he is, and why he can afford to lose if it happens.'"
Yet before the England game he'd only used 21 players compared to 26 for Leeds and most others, Wigan even more. They're playing well no doubt but their lack of injuries compared to others has helped them in both results and.resting a player here and there.
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| Quote: PrinterThe "Yet before the England game he'd only used 21 players compared to 26 for Leeds and most others, Wigan even more. They're playing well no doubt but their lack of injuries compared to others has helped them in both results and.resting a player here and there.'"
spot on. they will get injuries at some point, also a blip. be interesting to see what happens then
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| Quote: tad rhino "spot on. they will get injuries at some point, also a blip. be interesting to see what happens then'"
You'd think so although neither is a nailed-on cert. Occasionally some teams just get lucky with injuries.
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| Quote: Clearwing "You'd think so although neither is a nailed-on cert. Occasionally some teams just get lucky with injuries.'"
True, I mean Hull had a good run with lack of injuries last year and obviously benefitted. If Wigan and Cas swapped injury lists then the former would probably be top now and the latter losing ground on the top 4.
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| To be fair, Cas have had their fair share of injuries the last couple of years.
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