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Stats, from the game.'"


Some big numbers in attack from some of our 'other' forwards today.

Ablett - 11 carries....113m.....10.27 avg
Singleton - 11 carries....100m....9.09 avg
Leuluai - 14 carries....124m....8.86 avg

Think Leuluai has shown the last two weeks that he can still do a job for us THIS year. He might not have had it in him to be a starting prop all year through but he's effectively only playing half a season now and will usually be off the bench (if Cuthbertson isn't out for too long) so could do a role for us for the run-in.

Having Peacock on the bench was probably to save him a bit for Friday so it's a shame Cuthbertson got injured and Peacock has ended up taking more carries (22) than probably was hoped for.

As for Friday. They nearly matched us in offloads (16-15). I know we had our best one in Cuthbertson off injured but they still got a few off. 5 of those came from Liam Watts, his avg carry wasn't anything good (4.9m) but we need to try and stop him offloading as much on Friday.

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Can sneyd be punished retrospectivly given the ref dealt with it?

Also, not defending the obvious ankle twist but is that what did mags ankle or was it damaged in the fall/tackle and then sneyd twisted an already damaged ankle?

If sneyd did break mags ankle by twisting then I would like the rfl to send out a strong msg.

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Quote: Fallon "Can sneyd be punished retrospectivly given the ref dealt with it?

Also, not defending the obvious ankle twist but is that what did mags ankle or was it damaged in the fall/tackle and then sneyd twisted an already damaged ankle?

If sneyd did break mags ankle by twisting then I would like the rfl to send out a strong msg.'"


Yes, it will be looked at by the review panel if they think there was nothing in it they can deem sin bin is sufficient but I suspect it will be at the least a reckless challenge putting pressure on the joints.

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Quote: ls28_rhino "Yes, it will be looked at by the review panel if they think there was nothing in it they can deem sin bin is sufficient but I suspect it will be at the least a reckless challenge putting pressure on the joints.'"

It will be very interesting to see what the rfl do then.

Was also pleased with McDs comments about the idiocy of sinbinning a player for retiluation at having his ankle either damaged or twisted when damaged by a "fellow professional"/plankton.

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Quote: Fallon "It will be very interesting to see what the rfl do then.

Was also pleased with McDs comments about the idiocy of sinbinning a player for retiluation at having his ankle either damaged or twisted when damaged by a "fellow professional"/plankton.'"



Whilst I think he was correct to moan about it in hindsight (i.e. an injury inflicted), and the fact that the ref still chose to sin bin despite seeing the injury, the point is had there not been an injury the ref would have been correct. McGuire kicked out in a very bad way, his foot came down on the players head. In that fast motion the error of the ref can be somewhat understood.

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Quote: Fallon "Can sneyd be punished retrospectivly given the ref dealt with it?

Also, not defending the obvious ankle twist but is that what did mags ankle or was it damaged in the fall/tackle and then sneyd twisted an already damaged ankle?

If sneyd did break mags ankle by twisting then I would like the rfl to send out a strong msg.'"


Pretty certain Mags ankle was OK after the initial tackle... He was already getting up for a quick PTB

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Thought Hardaker, JP, Ablett and Keinhorst were the highlights. Keinhorst showed some real touches of quality in the second row.

In other games losing Cuthbertson would have been a blow, but Kylie gave a timely nostalgic performance.

Liam Watts continues to be a puzzle. Massive lad, sometimes runs like Kirke sometimes runs like Morley. Neat touches, clumsy tackles. All a bit odd.

Lee Radford's line on serpent tackle on McGuire - 'probably done by accident'. Haven't watched it back but from view to me showed intention to twist it round so will cop a rightful ban. didnt mind mcguire booting him off, what was he meant to do? Wouldn't have been overly bothered either if Ablett had followed through with that closed fist either. If Serpent wanted to hold mcguire down he could have clamped down to have that effect. -house for me.

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In a small way "justice" was meted out to Hull in that, with Sneyd off the pitch, they were unable to convert their last try.
Had he still been on he would probably have converted it making the score 26-22, making the last 5 minutes more nervy than they were.
I wonder if McGuire contributed to his sinbinning due to his constant backchat to Hicks, which cost us at least one penalty being marched forward another 10 metres.
That is not to condone Sneyd's actions which I hope will be dealt with severely.
All in all a good tight game which we are seeing more of this year.
We are now guaranteed a spot in the last 8. Where we end up is totally in our own hands.
Not bad for an aging, badly coached side.

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Quote: thebloodbath "Lee Radford's line on serpent tackle on McGuire - 'probably done by accident'. '"


I appreciate he's trying to defend his own player ahead of a trip to Red Hall tomorrow, but that's absolute nonsense.

If it's an accident, why has Sneyd rolled first to his right, then over again while still holding on to McGuire's lower leg? You don't do that "by accident".

If he wants to slow down the play the ball, he just has to grab both of McGuire's legs and lie on top of him. No need for him to twist or contort his body in any way. It's a deliberate (even if it's not pre-meditated) and conscious decision to put a fellow professional in a position you know can cause him serious injury.

Still, given Radford's history of only smacking people from behind when they're on the floor, not a real surprise.

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Quote: Gotcha "Whilst I think he was correct to moan about it in hindsight (i.e. an injury inflicted), and the fact that the ref still chose to sin bin despite seeing the injury, the point is had there not been an injury the ref would have been correct. McGuire kicked out in a very bad way, his foot came down on the players head. In that fast motion the error of the ref can be somewhat understood.'"
had the ref missed the twisting of his ankle maybe so. But the ref saw it and punished Snead for it so the ref knew that McGuire was having his ankle twisted at that point.

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If he wants to slow down the play the ball, he just has to grab both of McGuire's legs and lie on top of him. No need for him to twist or contort his body in any way. It's a deliberate (even if it's not pre-meditated) and conscious decision to put a fellow professional in a position you know can cause him serious injury.'"


That's the key point. If he wasn't attempting to injure / act against the spirit of the game, the only logical reasoning was that he was attempting to slow him down. if so, as you mention, you'd just clamp on, easiest way to do it. But to twist? a bit of an odd train of thought.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "had the ref missed the twisting of his ankle maybe so. But the ref saw it and punished Snead for it so the ref knew that McGuire was having his ankle twisted at that point.'"



But he didn't know he was injured when he gave the penalty and signalled. The action was over the top from McGuire without injury. However, when he showed the card he could not have know he wasn't injured from the incident.

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Don't know if anyones posted this already, but, cast your minds back to the opening game of 2014. Hull FC vs Catalans.

Elima tackles Heremaia but keeps hold of the leg and rolls. Very similar to what Sneyd did. If the RFL show any consistency (do they ever) Sneyd is looking at a minimum 4 matches, taking into account the injury caused.

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Quote: Gotcha "But he didn't know he was injured when he gave the penalty and signalled. The action was over the top from McGuire without injury. However, when he showed the card he could not have know he wasn't injured from the incident.'"
So if McGuires action stops his ankle been broken its over the top?

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I thought Ablett was head and shoulders best player. Pleasing because his form has dipped a little this year IMO.

Still, it was a good display from Keinhorst, a player someone on here described as Hehterington's "pet project" that would "never make a super league player".

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