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| Quote: JerryChicken "I look forward to your timed breakdown of those components in the link that you quoted from but just to save yourself the trouble don't bother looking because they don't exist, I looked at them initially but dismissed them for that very reason.'"
I wouldnt hold your breath. 
I just happen to "prefer" to watch a faster more dynamic and skillfull version of the handling code thats all.
I dont mind the game of RU at all if there is nothing better to watch that is. Prefer it to Soccer or Cricket. |
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| Quote: lionarmour87 "That dirty foul on Alun Rees ruined his Leeds career.I don't think it was his first game though,he was showing real promise up that two fisted smash by Holden of Oldham.He only played 36 games.sorry to go off track'"
Yes you are right it wasn't his first game and he did look a quality player with one of the best side steps I have seen. He was victim to the thuggery that most RU stars had to put up with from average League players who were jealous of the signing on fees and were too dim to realise that these stars could help to bring them some of the benefits of success.
PS: Rees also played professional cricket for Glamorgan for more than 10 years and was an excellent fielder. He came on as a sub fielder at Headingley in a Test against Australia and caught a good catch off Fred Trueman. |
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| Quote: DoubleAone "
You might find Union more competitive, but I just see mostly brute force which, has always, will appeal to the more simple minded. ![]()
One of the main differences between the codes is that Union has retained competition for the ball and League has not. Quite how you equate this with brute force I do not understand. Ken Dalby must have taken you for Maths and not rugby. You say you played both games but your cheap short "simple minded" remark would suggest otherwise!
I enjoy the competition for possession in Union despite the difficulties it now has refereeing it at a professional level. I recall when League had contested scrums and PTBs (well sort of) and I have some regrets that we have lost that.
The two codes have the same basic skills yet are strategically and technically quite different games. I prefer League but that is not to state it is better. Since the era of summer rugby we can all enjoy and be frustrated by both so why prolong the war?
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| Quote: Juan Cornetto "One of the main differences between the codes is that Union has retained competition for the ball and League has not. Quite how you equate this with brute force I do not understand. Ken Dalby must have taken you for Maths and not rugby. You say you played both games but your cheap short "simple minded" remark would suggest otherwise!
I enjoy the competition for possession in Union despite the difficulties it now has refereeing it at a professional level. I recall when League had contested scrums and PTBs (well sort of) and I have some regrets that we have lost that.
The two codes have the same basic skills yet are strategically and technically quite different games. I prefer League but that is not to state it is better. Since the era of summer rugby we can all enjoy and be frustrated by both so why prolong the war?'"
Lighten up folks...  it was a tonque in cheek quipe... hence the smilie.
apologies if it caused any offence. 
Your right, RL and more so SL, have mostly removed competing directly for the ball but it is retained to some degree albeit indirectly by applying pressure and poor position to the opposition. Forcing the error now being the prescribed method and the very occasional ball steal one on one.
Yes the basic skills are similar and I agree RU is more of a strategic game played up and down the touch lines generally but for me its too pedestrian for large periods. That's just my personal view by the way.
I did like the Old Leo`s approach when on tour, according to my brother a life long member, they would instigate a NO KICKING rule.... 
Ken Dalby was our Maths teacher but he used to excuse us lessons if we were training.
LOVE this anecdote........
Oscar winner Colin Welland sums it up. He's at England v Oz semifinal 1991. Rob Andrew kicks a last minute drop goal and England win. Another in the Royal Box say " wouldn't you just love Rob Andrew in Rugby League, "
Colin..."and what the f%$k would we do with him for other 79 minutes"
Just kidding folks  |
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| Quote: DoubleAone "Lighten up folks... ![]()
Ken Dalby (KD) taught me Maths too (or was it 2?) and also coached the school Union team and took the matches on a Saturday morning. After the Saturday morning matches several of us would grap some lunch and head for Headingley to watch our heros at Leeds RL. (it was Saturday fixtures in those days)
Ironic really, but I learnt my RL on Becketts Park while at Headingley CP from a Scottish teacher who was brought up on Union. (he later taught/coached a young Schofield in south Leeds) and at secondary school learnt Union from KD who was a former Leeds RL manager, noted club historian and life long fan. Perhaps explains my love of both codes but preference for League.
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| Quote: Juan Cornetto "
I think it was the head teacher Mr Mathews who mostly soured my view of the Union Game, He banned us playing League and so we played Union against mostly Grammer Schools. Huddersfield Grammer Pudsey Grammer and the like.
Mr Dalby introduced us to Rugby League and we played Union for the school Saturday mornings. RL U17s Saturday afternoons and later RL open age on Sunday mornings.
I have always preferred RL but comparing it to Union is a bit like Apples and Oranges really.
Ken Dalby told us there were only 2 things that were the same in each code. The posts and the grass. 
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Union (much like football) is a sport where it's too easy for the inferior side to stifle the ambitions of the superior one by denying them possession and taking time out of the game. Something which it's much harder to do in League.
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The main attraction for me with RL is that the attacking side can only go forward hence the game is more dynamic and fluid and there isn't the option of simply retaining possession to deny the opposition the ball as in soccer and to some extent RU
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The problem with trying to retain the ball in union for the sole purpose of denying the opposition possession is that its impossible to keep that up for 80 minutes and unlike football you cannot switch that tactic on when you go one score up, all it takes is for a succession of two or three rucks to draw in all of your forwards to maintain the possession and hold up play for as long as you can and suddenly your defensive line is horribly exposed to a mistake and a switch of possession.
Its often been compared to a game of chess, you just need to understand the rules and be patient.
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| Quote: JerryChicken "
Its often been compared to a game of chess, you just need to understand the rules and be patient.'"
Good analogy
Yes RU is a game of Chess, complex rules, played tactically, some might say slowly, playing for position, the advantage ebbing and flowing, seeking to gradually pile on pressure, until the opposition collapses.
RL is a game of Checkers, straight forward rules, all positions going forward, often at pace, forcing positions until gaps are created, and the opponents line is breached. |
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| Quote: DoubleAone "The main attraction for me with RL is that the attacking side can only go forward '"
What about Vickery at Hull |
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| Quote: JerryChicken "The problem with trying to retain the ball in union for the sole purpose of denying the opposition possession is that its impossible to keep that up for 80 minutes and unlike football you cannot switch that tactic on when you go one score up, all it takes is for a succession of two or three rucks to draw in all of your forwards to maintain the possession and hold up play for as long as you can and suddenly your defensive line is horribly exposed to a mistake and a switch of possession.
Its often been compared to a game of chess, you just need to understand the rules and be patient.'"
Up until this season though, it was easy for teams to retain possession and wind down halves/games when they were in the lead. I've seen plenty of examples of teams going through 14/15 phases of possession with nothing but pick and drives from the back of a ruck, each then taking 15-20 seconds to recycle the ball to the back again.
The changes for this season meaning that the ball has to be used as soon as it becomes available to the player at the back of the ruck will lessen that, but it won't stop teams playing what is in effect unlimited tackle league to wind down the clock.
Just don't get me started on scrums, and the complete inability of even elite referees to determine who and why a scrum might end up collapsing... |
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| I was talking to a Yorkshire RU ref last week over a pint and this coming season he is going to explain the new scrum contact rules to the pack once then he will start to award penalties after the first offence.
Quote: crouch, touch, pause, engage "New scrummaging law takes force
Dr Syd Millar insists the scrum is still an integral part of the game
New Year's Day saw the introduction of new scrummaging rules designed to improve player safety in rugby union.
The International Rugby Board passed a law late last year to bring packs closer and reduce the force on impact.
From 1 January, referees at all levels will implement a new four-stage "crouch, touch, pause, engage" process.
In addition to the engagement sequence, front rows cannot engage with their head and shoulders lower than their hips in a bid to stop collapsed scrums. The IRB investigated the safety of the scrum following recommendations made by the organisation's medical committee, but rejected calls to follow rugby league and "de-power" the set-piece.
Another key difference to the current sequence is that the two props have to touch their opposition number's shoulder. This ensures that the scrum remains a true contest which is important for the game
IRB chairman Dr Syd Millar insisted the contested scrum remained central to the sport. "An essential element of rugby is its physicality," he said. "This has to be appropriately balanced with the welfare of participating players and the IRB continues to take such issues very seriously.
"The IRB believes that the contested scrum is an integral part of the game and that rugby is unique in that its playing charter provides the opportunity for individuals of all shapes and sizes to play the game.
"That said, we have taken expert medical and technical advice that indicates that it is now appropriate for the game to adopt a less vigorous scrum engagement sequence."
Former England international Jason Leonard, the world's most capped prop, assisted the Law Project Group in its review of the scrum.
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I asked him how thick was the RU rule book...he just laughed.
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