It's interesting with all this bagging of Joel Moon going on at the mo, Just how many times he has been in the team of the month in the league papers. As it stands I think he's nailed on for a spot in the dream team come end of season, and it's deserved IMO.

Some people on here get far too concerned with how many passes, assists, metres certain players individually make.

FFS it's a team game that enjoys moments of individual skill/class we've had that this season just enjoy it!!!!!!!!!

Spot on - we criminally underuse our outside backs on both sides of the park.

Watkins has shown time after time what he can do if you give him the ball in a bit of space. I can never understand why we don't shift the ball to him early, get him coming from deep so that he's got some room to manouvre - 1 on 1 most centres in Superleague are really going to struggle to contain him.

Agree with this. Also consider how many of Hall's tries over the past few seasons have involved Brent Webb throwing quick or cut-out passes creating time and space. Hardaker is a massive talent at fullback but that is not yet part of his armoury.

I fully agree with you and you beat me to the same point.

In his heyday Webb joined the line at pace, usually on his favoured left hand side, really as a 2nd standoff and created space for Senior and his winger. Sometime he drew the centre and Senior could burst through the gap and feed Hall or sometimes Webb would as you say throw the cut out pass to the winger. After his serious back injury Webb seemed unable to twist his body as he passed which perhaps was the reason he made so many forward passes in his latter years. Unless of course they were just not spotted before!

Moon is a class centre IMO and of course will make handling errors as he is prepared to take a risk. However Hall has not had his best season and for quite a number of games lacked sharpness and was as much to blame as Moon for chances missed.

Agree with the comment regarding hall missing Webb , i think the whole team is missing the Brent Webb of old, his runs into the line and passing opened up many a defence.
This year I don't think the service to hall has been as good as recent seasons. As I never tire of saying the balance of the team does not seem right at the moment.

Agreed. Dropping two teams from SL and reducing the playoffs to top 6 would hopefully increase the quality of SL.

No, it is not relevant to the point under discussion.
We were talking about the service the centre gives the winger.
You made the point that Hall got more tries with Hardaker at centre than with Ablett at centre.
As scoring more points is the whole point of the game, then the return on the partnership is, I agree, the acid test.
But that proves absolutely nothing about who fed Hall better... and that was the point under discussion.


Sure, Hardaker scored tries as centre and that's great.
In fact, Hall fed Hardaker some of those and that's great too.
But that is not the issue under discussion ... we were talking about the centre feeding the winger and, so far, you have proved nothing in that context.

If you wanted to say that the centre feeding the winger is not always essential, you would have a point and should say that.
Instead you point at the number of tries scored by 4 and 5 as if that proves that 4 fed 5, which it patently does not.

The fact remains that Moon has great parts of his game .... feeding his winger is not one of them.

How does Moon's try scoring record stack up against the likes of Ablett and Hardaker when they were playing left centre?

Is Hall perhaps not seeing as much ball close to the line because Moon is backing himself and getting over the line by using his winger as a decoy?

Another reason Hall's tries have decreased IMO is that teams over commit to stop our left side. This leaves acres of space which we have started taking advantage of since Bish and Watkins teamed up again. They have both the pace and understanding to exploit that space. With a genuine strike threat on each side it is now going to be harder for teams to counter those threats.

More like half backs not servicing the centres ! If Hall played for Hull Kr of Wigan he would have scored twice as many tries this season, IMO of course !

I think there is some truth in this.We have been playing with a patched up right side for most of the season so it wouldnt have taken much thinking for coaches to come up with a game plan to neutralise our strongest flank when the other is not going to offer anywhere near the threat.

I think the relationship between Moon and Hall will get more of a chance to blossom in the coming weeks and into the playoffs due to our right side now looking just as potent.

Hall ruled out tonight due to illness. Sutcliffe moved onto the wing, Singleton to loose and Foster on the bench.

Jimmy K has a bad arm injury

sky sports have just said that he has dislocated his shoulder so season over for jimmy then !