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Quote: RhinoNeil "Very sore. The pain is killing me. The thought of not winning it for a 4th year in a row, well its just very painful. No really, im hurting.

Tbh honest I couldn't give a t0ss. Well done to Wigan, somebody out of the 14 teams has got to win it, I think we have done pretty darn well to do so in 07, 08, 09.

Here's to next season which is going to very interesting indeed.
Yes you did but thought Leeds fans didnt talk about things that happened in the past! Or does it not fit the arguement this time!

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And last but not least, to all those people who wrote this team off. To all those people who critisized this team...tonight's for you. K. Sinfield, GF 2011:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_45465.jpg



Nobody could honestly say Wigin didn't deserve the title this season, well done. This talk about domination over the next god knows how many years is tosh. They will be in the mix with all the big teams. I think SL has never been better in terms of who could win it (exception the Dulls or Cas).

Everyone should look forward to next season. Will be interesting how many coaches adopt MM's spoiling tactics around the play the ball, (which obviously contributed to their success). This is not a winge. Refs let them get away with it so fair play to them.

As for Saints chances of winning the GF next season... icon_razz.gifRAY:

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Quote: Ian Roberts Closet "Yes you did but thought Leeds fans didnt talk about things that happened in the past! Or does it not fit the arguement this time!'"



In this case Leeds fans cannot help but to think back to the last 4 years. It would be arrogant for the Leeds fans to go on a rant and rave because we havn't won it for a fourth time. But we're not allowed to do that are we?

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You cant fault the Goons for taking advantage of a new way of interpreting the PTB. sHudds went from cannon-fodder to 3rd in SL using a very compact defence combined with slowing the PTB down to a crawl and putting the emphasis on defence to wear down teams and the did a chuffing good job of doing this to numerous teams.

Wigan have now got in a coach who has been (cap breaches aside) involved with THE premier team in the modern NRL and is a master at these techniques. All he has done is take a modus operandi already in use here by Nathan Brown and take it to a new level.

The work he has rumored to have done behind the scenes also, including discipline, training and team bonding has taken a "nearly" team onto a nigh on dominance of this years SL.

Of course we all know that it is harder to retain a trophy and im sure the rest of SL will have sat up and taken notice of Wigans dominance this year and how they went about it so hopefully we will have a few more teams able to step it up against them next season.

Im sure that with speed at the PTB in the NRL in vogue it will be back in vogue over here in the not too distant future.

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Quote: lionarmour87 "your the HILLBILLY'S it is LITTLE WIGAN'"


Sorry ! But...Oh dear !! eusa_eh.gif Not the most convincing argument winner.

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Quote: Swarcliffe Rhino "You cant fault the Goons for taking advantage of a new way of interpreting the PTB. sHudds went from cannon-fodder to 3rd in SL using a very compact defence combined with slowing the PTB down to a crawl and putting the emphasis on defence to wear down teams and the did a chuffing good job of doing this to numerous teams.

Wigan have now got in a coach who has been (cap breaches aside) involved with THE premier team in the modern NRL and is a master at these techniques. All he has done is take a modus operandi already in use here by Nathan Brown and take it to a new level.

The work he has rumored to have done behind the scenes also, including discipline, training and team bonding has taken a "nearly" team onto a nigh on dominance of this years SL.

Of course we all know that it is harder to retain a trophy and im sure the rest of SL will have sat up and taken notice of Wigans dominance this year and how they went about it so hopefully we will have a few more teams able to step it up against them next season.

Im sure that with speed at the PTB in the NRL in vogue it will be back in vogue over here in the not too distant future.'"


In fairness they have combined that with dynamic attacking play ultilising width. Their wingers are the Leagues top try scorers and the way they move the ball is sheer quality.
I don't like their defensive strategy at the PTB, but that's probably because it's meant they have won SL. If the refs don't see anything wrong in it then that's that. The fact Leeds got penalised to oblivion last year for similar tactics is just one of those things. Last year is last year in RL, every season an different set of the same rules are applied.
I was not in favour of super quick PTB's, it promotes lazy attacking play and taking cheap yards by scooting from dummy half, but I am equally against the drowning of the PTB as in the NRL, where from what I can see it's actually up to the tackled player to throw off the defenders who lie there until he does.

Are Wigan a new dynasty? It's impossible to tell, you just don't know what will happen year on year. The fact is though, they will not dominate the sport like they did for the large part of the 90's. That was only possible because of money (the "Wigan Way" please, what a crock of $h!t). I welcome their return as the "Enemy". Now if only Bradford could get their act together and Warrington could beat Saints, then we might have the terrific competition the salary cap is meant to provide (and I haven't forgotten about Humberside -the real "The Biggest Derby In Rugby League"icon_wink.gif.

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Quote: DHM "In fairness they have combined that with dynamic attacking play ultilising width. Their wingers are the Leagues top try scorers and the way they move the ball is sheer quality.
I don't like their defensive strategy at the PTB, but that's probably because it's meant they have won SL. If the refs don't see anything wrong in it then that's that. The fact Leeds got penalised to oblivion last year for similar tactics is just one of those things. Last year is last year in RL, every season an different set of the same rules are applied.
I was not in favour of super quick PTB's, it promotes lazy attacking play and taking cheap yards by scooting from dummy half, but I am equally against the drowning of the PTB as in the NRL, where from what I can see it's actually up to the tackled player to throw off the defenders who lie there until he does.

Are Wigan a new dynasty? It's impossible to tell, you just don't know what will happen year on year. The fact is though, they will not dominate the sport like they did for the large part of the 90's. That was only possible because of money (the "Wigan Way" please, what a crock of $h!t). I welcome their return as the "Enemy". Now if only Bradford could get their act together and Warrington could beat Saints, then we might have the terrific competition the salary cap is meant to provide (and I haven't forgotten about Humberside -the real "The Biggest Derby In Rugby League"icon_wink.gif.'"


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Like you say its not everyones cup of tea, but so what. Its now up to other teams to step up and be counted and find a way of nulifying this way of playing.

As for the "wigan Way" well we all know what to think of that tripe. One swallow doth not a summer make but at the risk of sounding bitter i once again state congrats to wigan they have been the most consistant team and have deserved thier moment in the sun.

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Mainly fair points but Wigan's good season is a signal that the game has to change. In it's present state the dominance of slow play the balls, wrestling, 'winning the floor', 5 drives and a kick, physicality and power generally at the expense of, flair, speed and skill is leading the sport towards a general sterility with an increasing proportion of dull games. This is a view that I think is finding more and more favour with the games administrators and Gary Hetherington in particular is an advocate for change. I for one hope that Wigan and the Wigan way find themselves back where they belong - the dustbin of history

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Wigan should have still been rebuilding after relegation. Instead they've been allowed to bend the laws of the game and succeed because of it.

The game is corrupt and the RFL are a joke.

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Quote: Era of the Biff "Wigan should have still been rebuilding after relegation. Instead they've been allowed to bend the laws of the game and succeed because of it.

The game is corrupt and the RFL are a joke.'"


If the game is to succeed even to the degree it is at today it needs a strong Wigan. The RFL can afford to lose a Castleford or a Wakefield for the sake of an "expansive policy" into the likes of London and Wales ...but lose Wigan. Nah ! Realism rules.

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Quote: nantwichexile "If the game is to succeed even to the degree it is at today it needs a strong Wigan. The RFL can afford to lose a Castleford or a Wakefield for the sake of an "expansive policy" into the likes of London and Wales ...but lose Wigan. Nah ! Realism rules.'"


So we should allow clubs to flaunt the salary cap rules and not receive the requisite punishment?

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with the 3 aussies coming in and gareth hock due back in june it will be interesting to see the salary cap wage bill or will they be employed in the club shop as sales advisors eusa_liar.gif

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Quote: Era of the Biff "So we should allow clubs to flaunt the salary cap rules and not receive the requisite punishment?'"


Offically British Aerospace should be more severely crippled for their underhand,unethical dealings with Saudi Arabia. A company less prestigious and important to UK status, jobs and tax revenue would have been.

Banks and complicit goverments turning a blind eye whilst revelling in the delusion of no more boom & bust should be more severely punished for the mess they have created to the world economy.....but without the banks and governments the world economies and societies would collapse into anarchy. They had to be bailed out at any cost and slapped on the wrist. The mere minions and tax payers of the world will pay instead.

We live in the 'real world'.

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Quote: Highbury Rhino "Mainly fair points but Wigan's good season is a signal that the game has to change. In it's present state the dominance of slow play the balls, wrestling, 'winning the floor', 5 drives and a kick, physicality and power generally at the expense of, flair, speed and skill is leading the sport towards a general sterility with an increasing proportion of dull games. This is a view that I think is finding more and more favour with the games administrators and Gary Hetherington in particular is an advocate for change. I for one hope that Wigan and the Wigan way find themselves back where they belong - the dustbin of history'"


icon_lol.gif You are John Kear and I claim my £5.

Quote -"5 drives and a kick, physicality and power generally at the expense of, flair, speed and skill is leading the sport towards a general sterility with an increasing proportion of dull games"

2nd best points scored, best defence, top try scorer, top goal kicker, top points scorer.

Wigan 27 22 0 5 922 411 511 44
2 St Helens 27 20 0 7 946 547 399 40
3 Warrington 27 20 0 7 885 488 397 40
4 Leeds 27 17 1 9 725 561 164 35
5 Huddersfield 27 16 1 10 758 439 319 33
6 Hull 27 16 0 11 569 584 -15 32
7 Hull K R 27 14 1 12 653 632 21 29
8 Crusaders RL 27 12 0 15 547 732 -185 24
9 Castleford 27 11 0 16 648 766 -118 22
10 Bradford 27 9 1 17 528 728 -200 19
11 Wakefield 27 9 0 18 539 741 -202 18
12 Salford 27 8 0 19 448 857 -409 16
13 Harlequins RL 27 7 0 20 494 838 -344 14
14 Catalans 27 6 0 21 409 747 -338 12

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Well done to Wigan, deserved SL Champions in 2010.

I was undecided who to lend my support to prior to kick-off as seeing either team lose had it's obvious attractions but the observance (or not quite) of the minute's silence for Terry Newton sealed the deal.

Martin Gleeson - quality reaction to scoring the opening try.

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