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| Quote tad rhino="tad rhino"thats what i'm hearing. also we are after kirmond but warrington and there melbourne type salary cap may put paid to him'"
word going round our way, wakey are using us to drive kirmond's price up with a couple other clubs that are noseying.
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| Quote Fantastic Mr Cat="Fantastic Mr Cat"word going round our way, wakey are using us to drive kirmond's price up with a couple other clubs that are noseying.'"
Kirmond and Aiton are heading to Leeds aren't they? In exchange for Moore, Clarkson, Kirke plus cash. A pillow-talk done deal?
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| I'll make no secret of the fact that I am a fan of Burrow. McGuire has given great service but he and Sinfield lack any real pace and it should be one of those two that eventually make way for Sutcliffe and or Ward, before Burrow does.
Burrow has retained his place and remains capable of providing that x-factor even in games we're being dominated (see last Saturday)and even in games where we're not playing well. He also has the dummy half versatility.
Add in Sifnield's captaincy, goal kicking and ability to cover 9 and it does, sadly, leave McGuire the odd man out. That said, and whisper it quietly, but I think Sinfield has had a pretty poor season and, like McGuire, father time looks like he may be catching up.
I doubt the coach sees it that wa though.
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| Quote William Eve="William Eve"Kirmond and Aiton are heading to Leeds aren't they? In exchange for Moore, Clarkson, Kirke plus cash. A pillow-talk done deal?'"
That would bring back some memories of another multiple Leeds - Wakefield swap-shop deal from 1987 or thereabouts. Throw in another makeweight from this end and it'd be a carbon copy.
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| Would be disappointed to lose Clarkson and I think Kirmond is getting a little over-rated, he has somehow gone from a hardworking 2nd rower to the second coming of Gordon Tallis on the back of a couple of good seasons in a mid-table side. Decent player but nowhere near the game-changer he is being made out to be.
Also when he was Clarksons age, he was far behind where Clarkson is now.
On moving Mcguire on, lets be honest Sutcliffe is very very young for a half back and he is our half-back for the next 15 years, not the next 3. He shouldn’t be playing more than 15-20 games next year and we shouldn’t be looking to put him in for 80 mins in all of those games. He covers Mcguire next year, shares the spot with him the year after, and takes the starters job in the season he turns 21 with 40-50 apps behind him. I would much rather he gets another year focussing on his skills than pushing him into a first team role which demands he spend more time building his fitness so he can cope at SL level.
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| Quote tvoc="tvoc"That would bring back some memories of another multiple Leeds - Wakefield swap-shop deal from 1987 or thereabouts. Throw in another makeweight from this end and it'd be a carbon copy.'"
Leeds got Gary Spencer and John Lyons? from Wakey in exchange for Mark Conway, Phil Fox, Andy Mason and one of the Rayne twins.
The other makeweight? McShane.
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| Quote G1="G1"I'll make no secret of the fact that I am a fan of Burrow. McGuire has given great service but he and Sinfield lack any real pace and it should be one of those two that eventually make way for Sutcliffe and or Ward, before Burrow does.
Burrow has retained his place and remains capable of providing that x-factor even in games we're being dominated (see last Saturday)and even in games where we're not playing well. He also has the dummy half versatility.
Add in Sifnield's captaincy, goal kicking and ability to cover 9 and it does, sadly, leave McGuire the odd man out. That said, and whisper it quietly, but I think Sinfield has had a pretty poor season and, like McGuire, father time looks like he may be catching up.
I doubt the coach sees it that wa though.'"
I've said before that there aren't many top-class half-backs who can continue to operate at a reasonable level beyond 32, and sometimes quite a bit earlier. Darren Lockyer is an exception to this but Andrew Johns, Stacey Jones, Brad Fittler, Sean Long, Iestyn Harris were all finished or massively reduced by that age. A generation back and Edwards, Gregory, Schofield, Daley, Lewis, Sterling were too.
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| Quote William Eve="William Eve"Leeds got Gary Spencer and John Lyons? from Wakey in exchange for Mark Conway, Phil Fox, Andy Mason and one of the Rayne twins.
The other makeweight? McShane.'"
Keith Rayne, I think.
Unless Danny Kirmond is actually a three-toed sloth with a bucket attached to its body then the deal is not comparable. The form of Gary Spencer pushing Andrew Ettingshausen out to the wing is still one of the all-time amazing Leeds decisions.
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| Quote craigizzard="craigizzard"Keith Rayne, I think.
Unless Danny Kirmond is actually a three-toed sloth with a bucket attached to its body then the deal is not comparable. The form of Gary Spencer pushing Andrew Ettingshausen out to the wing is still one of the all-time amazing Leeds decisions.'"
When ET came over (second stint) he wasn't fit at first. Probably shouldn't have even played on the wing to start with. His display in the Yorkshire Cup Final was poor.
However,once fit, there was no doubt who would play.
Spencer was a great full back but,sadly, the Paul Wellens of his day, perhaps slower. Still in great shape and could probably play now.
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| Quote G1="G1"When ET came over (second stint) he wasn't fit at first. Probably shouldn't have even played on the wing to start with. His display in the Yorkshire Cup Final was poor.
However,once fit, there was no doubt who would play.
Spencer was a great full back but,sadly, the Paul Wellens of his day, perhaps slower. Still in great shape and could probably play now.'"
Spencer did have all the attributes to be a great full back, except one. To be fair, like Wellens it shows how good he was at other aspects of play that he could forge out a career in that position when he was that slow. But. boy, was he slow even in an era when Ian Wilkinson and Paul Gill played 1. No fancy Billy Slaters in them days.
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| Quote craigizzard="craigizzard"Spencer did have all the attributes to be a great full back, except one. To be fair, like Wellens it shows how good he was at other aspects of play that he could forge out a career in that position when he was that slow. But. boy, was he slow even in an era when Ian Wilkinson and Paul Gill played 1. No fancy Billy Slaters in them days.'"
Slow? They were Usain Bolt next to Keith Mumby.
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| I wouldn't move Mags on just yet but i personaly would look to start next year with Sutcliffe(6) Burrow(7) Sinfield(9) and Ward(13) with Mags on the bench.
I'd also like to see Kylie used only as a bench/rotation option unless we sign a power-house prop ,Kirke and Moore moved but wouldn't be surprised to see Mcshane and Clarkson depart also.
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