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| Quote: DHM "You might want to wind back and go and read my earlier post for my thoughts on Wigan culture and o make reference to the "Moral Victory" comment.
But rugby league is tough, it used to be a lot dirtier but if I'm honest I admire some ( some, not all) of the things Wigan do with regards to intimidating the opposition physically. Like all tactics there is a line you can push it to, and sometimes beyond. I also think that when we start threads like this and complain about pushing and roughing up in the tackle we do our players a diservice. Mags took a lot on Saturday and it had no effect on how he played - maybe even worked for him. He hasn't complained.
I actually thought Wigan held back on the niggle on Saturday, only Bateman went in for a bit of a shove on a Singleton after he collided with Manfredi in the air, and that was a bit half hearted. Leeds players pretty much ignored every high shot and didn't get caught up in any messing about at the PTB. We've been done by Wigan before by getting into that game.
I've seen some terrible foul play on the pitch, I was only a few yards away from Ellery Hanley when Andy Dannatt shattered his jaw off the ball and changed the game forever. Hull's own match video was used as evidence to ban him for 8 matches (although Hanley was out for nearly twice as long). But it ultimately led to the virtual elimination of off the ball late hits which were a blight on the sport.'"
I have seen games before were mags can be wound up to the detriment of his game, which is clearly what Wigan were doing trying to put him off his game. The only one I had issue with was the late shove on mags after he scored. That one seemed to me to be an attempt to injure rather annoy him off his game.
Agree regarding the game is a lot cleaner than it used to be |
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Wigan have one style of play. They play it well, and its how they win games if they are allowed to play it. But for teams like Leeds, that can stand up to their bullying tactics (and primarily play a faster, free flowing fancy style of rugby league - which has always been the cub culture at Leeds), they don't know what to do. Teams like Leeds can close them down. Make them panic, make them make their tactics too obvious and give away penalties, and make Wigan very tired. (A final is a bit different as all players of all clubs raise their game)
Attack: Brute force your way down the field for 5 tackles, kick.
Defence: Hit them as hard as you can, hurt them, try to make them fear (Not respect your talent) you.
Wayne will do some serious mental damage to some fantastic players if he continues to take them down this path (Forcing them to be nasty and aggressive to win at all costs), they won't learn the necessary skills to perform different styles of gameplay, and they won't be the players they have the potential to be.
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| Quote: The Ghost of '99 "The main euphemism used is that senior Leeds players and especially McDermott will refer to Saints or Wire as teams who "play the game the right way". They may applaud Wigan for bringing through young British players but they will never use that particular phrase.
Think back through Leeds-Wigan in recent years, from the Rugby God incident, through the bog brush, the last minute penalty and Saturday night. With a little bit of probing, Leeds players have made little secret of their view of how Wigan approach and play the game.
As for Wane as an individual, I'd have a lot more time for him if he'd shown 10% of the passion he shows today when he was playing in the blue and amber. His ambitions and energy clearly come to an end when he leaves the WN postcode area - the very epitome of the small town mentality.'"
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| Quote: RhinosGrandSlam2015 "Wigan have one style of play. They play it well, and its how they win games if they are allowed to play it. But for teams like Leeds, that can stand up to their bullying tactics (and primarily play a faster, free flowing fancy style of rugby league - which has always been the cub culture at Leeds), they don't know what to do. Teams like Leeds can close them down. Make them panic, make them make their tactics too obvious and give away penalties, and make Wigan very tired. (A final is a bit different as all players of all clubs raise their game)
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I think that your view expressed above is a gross simplification of how Wigan play the game and one with which I do not agree. I dislike the niggle and the slowing of the PTB, because I prefer a fast open style of RL. But if Wigan are playing with in the rules as defined by the RFL and the officials on the pitch, then that's their choice and we shouldn't spend too much time moaning about what we can't change. I also question your idea that Wayne will cause mental damage to players by forcing them to play to his style of game. I believe that most working environments are self selecting, if a company or team has a defined style and way of doing things, those that like and or can work with in a given environment will stay and prosper, those that can't will leave. If the fans and players don't like it they will vote with their feet. Wigan are a good team who play some cracking rugby, beating them on Saturday made the treble even more of an achievement for mine.
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https://www.facebook.com/JoiningJack/ph ... nref=story
An insight into the Wigan culture, the evil empire Wane & Maguire created.
"Last night Jack had the great honour of presenting the Wigan players with their jerseys ahead of today's final. Before Jack presented the jerseys Andy gave a speech to the players about how proud and privileged he was to have been from Wigan and to have been given the opportunity to wear the Wigan jersey, the proudest moment of his 13 year career was scoring a try for Wigan in a Premiership final. He then went on to say when your career ends, it really is over, there are no more finals or games. You have to seize every moment and have no regrets. He talked about the importance of family and making them proud. Jack will never have the experience of playing rugby or in final. Andy told the players how he is in the fight of his life to save his son. This is a fight he can't loose. The people who have come together to help him are his family, ex-teammates and the rugby community. With their help we are making clinical trials happen for Duchenne and are determined to change the future for our son and everyone with Duchenne"
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https://www.facebook.com/JoiningJack/ph ... nref=story
An insight into the Wigan culture, the evil empire Wane & Maguire created.
"Last night Jack had the great honour of presenting the Wigan players with their jerseys ahead of today's final. Before Jack presented the jerseys Andy gave a speech to the players about how proud and privileged he was to have been from Wigan and to have been given the opportunity to wear the Wigan jersey, the proudest moment of his 13 year career was scoring a try for Wigan in a Premiership final. He then went on to say when your career ends, it really is over, there are no more finals or games. You have to seize every moment and have no regrets. He talked about the importance of family and making them proud. Jack will never have the experience of playing rugby or in final. Andy told the players how he is in the fight of his life to save his son. This is a fight he can't loose. The people who have come together to help him are his family, ex-teammates and the rugby community. With their help we are making clinical trials happen for Duchenne and are determined to change the future for our son and everyone with Duchenne"
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| Quote: TOMCAT "I think that your view expressed above is a gross simplification of how Wigan play the game and one with which I do not agree. I dislike the niggle and the slowing of the PTB, because I prefer a fast open style of RL. But if Wigan are playing with in the rules as defined by the RFL and the officials on the pitch, then that's their choice and we shouldn't spend too much time moaning about what we can't change. I also question your idea that Wayne will cause mental damage to players by forcing them to play to his style of game. I believe that most working environments are self selecting, if a company or team has a defined style and way of doing things, those that like and or can work with in a given environment will stay and prosper, those that can't will leave. If the fans and players don't like it they will vote with their feet. Wigan are a good team who play some cracking rugby, beating them on Saturday made the treble even more of an achievement for mine.'"
This^^ Well said. Why some Leeds fans would rather denigrate their own teams fantastic achievement than give credit to Wigan is utterly beyond me. |
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| Quote: spartakmixtapes "https://www.facebook.com/JoiningJack/photos/a.530176597068142.1073741832.279716608780810/885705561515242/?type
Oh sod off. Nobody has said they're evil human beings FFS.
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| Quote: Him "Oh sod off. Nobody has said they're evil human beings FFS.'"
There's been accusations of lack of class, win at all costs attitude and a bad culture at Wigan, I'm just pointing out that its not really the full story. Thats all. |
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| Quote: spartakmixtapes "There's been a accusations of lack of class, win at all costs attitude and a bad culture at Wigan, I'm just pointing out that its not really the full story. Thats all.'"
It is a rare situation indeed that doesn't have two sides to the story. No one has suggested otherwise and I'm sure the vast majority of the Wigan club are decent people (just like most other organisations).
No-one or at least very few people on this board have any idea what has gone on between the Wigan and Leeds players but when normally very respectful people are more than willing to voice some disdain, you have to suspect that they have done so with good reason. Given some of the antics of Wane and others in the past, it doesn't take much to imagine the points of contention. |
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| Quote: Ronzy "It is a rare situation indeed that doesn't have two sides to the story. No one has suggested otherwise and I'm sure the vast majority of the Wigan club are decent people (just like most other organisations).
No-one or at least very few people on this board have any idea what has gone on between the Wigan and Leeds players but when normally very respectful people are more than willing to voice some disdain, you have to suspect that they have done so with good reason. Given some of the antics of Wane and others in the past, it doesn't take much to imagine the points of contention.'"
Well there's clearly been a bit of "edge" between the 2 teams that has spilled over several times, I would think that dates back to the infamous Rugby Gods game where a couple of Wigan players (Riddell mainly from what I remember) were out of order. But right or wrong this happens in sport between top teams, the games between Man. Utd & Arsenal used to be very similar (pizzagate etc).
But to say (as some have) that this is symptomatic of some rotten culture at Wigan is just daft, the post game quotes from Wane & Lockers were full of respect for Leeds and their players. I've also heard plenty of quotes from Leeds players complimenting Wigan over the past few years. |
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| Quote: RhinosGrandSlam2015 "
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That's such an arrogant misconception it's ridiculous. I see it thrown around here quite a lot. We score an unbelievable amount of tries from inside our own half. Joe Burgess set up nearly as many tries as Todd Carney purely from his own breaks. When was the last time a winger assisted 14 tries in a season and wasn't far off top try scorer himself?
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| Quote: rhinos21 "Bog brush?'"
wasn't it an incident on the western terrace |
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| Quote: spartakmixtapes "https://www.facebook.com/JoiningJack/photos/a.530176597068142.1073741832.279716608780810/885705561515242/?type
I am no fan of wane or wigan but the support of the present team for one of the past has been incredible.
I only watched the union to see how sam did and heard how 'they' were supporting joining jack , prob through the wigan connection but the past wigan and rl suport was not mentioned then or in the following day's press.
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| Quote: doc-rhino "I am no fan of wane or wigan but the support of the present team for one of the past has been incredible.
I only watched the union to see how sam did and heard how 'they' were supporting joining jack , prob through the wigan connection but the past wigan and rl suport was not mentioned then or in the following day's press.'"
Yep, saw Owen Farrell doing the Joining Jack sign in the Wales game but don't remember it being mentioned which is a shame. The Joining Jack charity has been a credit not just to Wigan but the whole of RL, same with the Steve Prescott foundation.
I'm not here to try and make Wigan out as angels, just refuting a minority who are posting nonsense.
In fairness 90% of the Leeds posters on here have said its nonsense or just said they don't care about Wigan, which is fair enough! |
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the charity was mentioned in the context of the time spent with the england camp
the only thing our council rep said right at the homecoming was praising the leeds foundation
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