Positives are that we won, so the season lingers on, and Arthur has seen how truly awful we can be. We were lucky to beat London and probably only would have beaten Hull out of the rest of SL on that performance. Just poor all round from most players. Still cannot see Cam Smith working as a prop. I'd rather keep Donaldson if that was his role.

It would have been better to have lost that game for everyone’s sake yesterday. We can’t keep on kidding ourselves there’s the foundations of a successful team currently down at Headingley. This mini revival is built on sand. I don’t know if the big smiles and hand shakes amongst Arthur and the coaching team after the game were sheer relief or delusion, and I wonder as they all sat chatting with Blease in the stand afterwards if the words “were gonna be f#**ed without Rhyse” were uttered, but mentally I think we need to start preparing ourselves for the worst next season if we are prepared to keep the majority of those on show yesterday. I might have felt sorry for London if they hadn’t been so disrespectful with the state of that pitch. The viewing experience was bad enough without having to work out which markings were for football and which were for Rugby League. The contempt shown towards our sport is unbelievable at times, but surely we can help ourselves by telling the grounds man to spend 10 minutes covering the unnecessary and confusing football markings for everyone’s sake. Can you imagine Wimbledon F.C playing a game with half the R.L markings left on the field ? For one I think they would have more pride and I think it would probably be deemed illegal by the F.A. The RFL doesn’t help the game one bit with such poor standards demeaning the game.

If that was elite rugby league then the standard is worse than at any point during the SL era. As FT professional players the team should be embarrassed. Their fitness is so poor - have were blowing after 20 minutes - London looked the fitter side and a big chunk are part time.

Some significant changes will be needed if this team is to be challenging for the top 4 next season. The NRL goes from strength to strength yet SL continues to regress every season - why?

Completely agree - for a marquee signing Croft has been very poor. Yes the pack is terrible but he offers very little when he has the opportunity. He doesn't look happy perhaps a change of club would perhaps be a good move all round.

Newman - just looks totally disinterested, perhaps carrying an ego that big is wearing him out. He is offering nothing and isn't supporting the young winger outside him - embarrassing.

Martin and maybe Bentley are the only above average players in that squad. To turn this around is going to take some significant surgery from Blease and Arthur.

You simply can’t compare the NRL to SL, they operate in totally different markets, The NRL is the biggest sport in town, it has money and coverage we could only dream of, so in turn they get the pick of the athletes in their country.

That’s the ‘why’.

Croft has had a few poor games after some personal issues but he hasn’t been poor, he is part of the solution not the problem.

I disagree - as a marquee signing he should be leading by example - I have seldom seen this since he joined Leeds. As I said the pack is poor but he hasn't shown much either. You can count on less than fingers on hand the high quality performances he has put in.

I think you misunderstand - through the SL era we have developed numerous local star players. The standard of the homegrown talent is nowhere near where it once was. Where are the players of the quality of Sculthorpe, Harris' McGuire, Sinfield, Burgess, Farrell etc?

Given the core of every team is made up of British players the lack of quality here that is the main reason SL is the dogs dinner it is. Why are these players so poor and so unfit?

We only had 5 British players in that starting line up yesterday, the other 8 were overseas players. You would have to say the overall standard of the overseas players we have is pretty poor. I still can’t work out how we ended up with a long haired foreign exchange student playing centre for us. Is the real Momorovski locked up in a shed in Wollongong or somewhere ? One things for sure, if I was Brad Arthur I’d be escorting him to the front door of a Turkish barber to get that stupid hair cut sorted. He spends more time f**##g about with his hair than catching a ball right in front of his face.

It's so weird to see whenever we lose (or even win, but not as convincingly as normal) just how much of the posters on here hate our own players.

I'm all for a good discussion, and players aren't beyond criticism at all, but some of the posts are embarrassing.

Didn't manage to watch the game, but sounds like we've massively rode our luck, which we've not had much of this season. Saw BA on the behind the scenes footage say let's put this one to bed and move on. Hopeful we'll perform better against Hull and keep our push for the play-offs on track!

A painfully low quality SL game.
Barely championship standard tbh.
Echoes of the RS era, with mistake after mistake putting us under pressure and absolutely no idea in attack.
Only the defensive line speed and intent has improved.

I'm confident we have the right coach, but too many of the players are not at the required level.
Only Martin, Miller and Bentley come out with any credit.
We just need rid of the likes of Fusitua, Sangare, Frawley, Goudemand, possibly even Momirovski, Newman and Ackers.
It's a shame with Harry, but he is a shadow of the player that burst on to the scene. His pace has gone and he is awful in defence.
So far, Ackers and Momirovski have been poor signings. O'Connor has put Ackers to shame at 9.
No doubt we'll sell O'Connor to Hull.
And I don't know where we go with Cam Smith. Hasn't worked out as captain and his game has suffered.
He's not a prop. Maybe a change of club is the answer for him.

We know that the front row needs major surgery, but we also need an impact back row, a winger, a centre and a 7.
Oh, and a goal kicker.
Big changes needed this off season.

If I were to look at who will be here next season, and where we will need to strengthen, this is what I could envisage us looking like:

Miller
Hall
Newman (last season of contract, must improve dramatically or not renewed)
Momirovski (last season of contract, must improve dramatically or not renewed)
Handley
Croft
Frawley (last season of contract, must improve dramatically or not renewed)
New Prop
Ackers
New Prop
Bentley
New Backrow
O'Connor

Oledzki
Holroyd (last season of contract, must improve dramatically or not renewed)
Gannon (last season of contract, must improve dramatically or not renewed)
New Prop / Loose Forward / Smith (but must improve dramatically)

Outside of this, anyone over 25 can leave, and there will be more changes the following year based on how players perform. We have to get the foundations right for the younger players to come in, environment, culture, standards, results.

Yep I remembered Martin this morning stupid me.
Definitely Martin.

The worry is most of the garbage we have are contracted until at least next season.
So unless we can get some of them to other clubs who will take on their contract it is unlikely we see anything of significance and the thought that 2 new props will suddenly get us into the top 4 is a long way off.
BA is not Harry Potter to coin an Eric Ten Haag quote.

Batley, in all seriousness, why should Gannon be treated in the same boat as the players considered failing this season? The guy is a lot younger than most of the players you mention needing to step up, and it is hardly his fault that he's been unlucky with concussions. Not in the same category as Newman at all, even if Newman is carrying an injury.

And why is Bentley suddenly in the keep list, is it because he has a longer contract? He's also struggled with concussion and missed most of the season, like Gannon. He plays a handful of decent games after being part liability and part ineffectual because he lacks size for most of his Leeds career, and now he's a first choice player for you. You don't mention McDonnell at all who has been light years ahead of Bentley for two seasons and earned an England call-up.

I could go on... Frawley has arguably improved much more than Bentley, Ackers is also very hit and miss but gets a free pass from you.

Sunday was IMO the worst game I've seen Leeds play all season, but dissecting individual performances seems pretty pointless to me - welcome to the world of knee jerkery. Leeds have perennially tended to be brought down to the level of the weaker teams in SL, even the Goldens did it with surprising regularity (esp. under McDermott).

Look at the last few games under Arthur, we know they are much better than this, and they will be again before the season is out.