I thought the forwards looked slow, and tired on Saturday. They definitely weren't as effective as they were in the first game. Having no back rowers with any go forward isn't helping to reduce the work load of the bigger lads in the middle, though.

Everything points to the Coach not knowing what he is doing!

A failed SL Coach and Assistant Coach in the NRL shouldn't be our National Coach!

I think we should be looking towards Brian Mac, Shaun Wane and Anderson as a Coaching Team. Brian Mac as Head Coach and the others as Assistant Coaches.

That would be interesting.I'm sure Wane and Anderson would be willing to take orders from general Mac

I thought Tom Burgess played a huge part in changing the momentum of the first test and Ryan Hall had a huge impact too in that game returning the ball.Both were given extra attention on Saturday and we never found that true go forward at all, although we did burn a lot of energy in that first period by giving NZ countless sets on our own line which certainly didn't help the cause.

I thought when we had the ball we made good meters and got quick play the balls. We defended lots of sets on our own line but most of those started in our half.

The point being that the forwards (although not as strong as the first test) certainly gave enough of a platform for us to exploit

"Too many cooks spoil the broth" springs to mind.

To me it looked like they were playing a territorial game, march down the field with low risk, hard running forward drives and take any metres on offer from dummy half. The forward drives were sometimes effective at gaining metres but they were very predictable, and ultimately one out rugby is extremely easy to defend against. Even Roby didn't looke like he knew what he was doing at times, to make a player with his class look so lost is a real accomplishment. You have to, at some point actually attack. No short side moves, nothing resembling a decent attacking kick, no width or depth on attack when we did spread it. Did we move the ball once in our own half?
We scored from 2 yards out with a forward crashing over in the first test and it seemed like all we were trying to do was set up for that again to the exclusion of everything else. The fact that a lot of very experienced players were incapable of making the on-field changes required to challenge the Kiwis more with the ball is very disappointing.
The halves were poor, but all they seemed tasked with was turning the ball inside or one pop to a forward. Did any of our forwards actually offload at all? It was up the jumper, head down and in. I've rarely seen a game where James Graham - who's trademark is the pop pass before contact - didn't have options running alongside him but Saturday it was if he was told not to pass so nobody was with him. We put no doubt in the defenders minds and if you don't the halves get slow ball with an advancing defence.

I also don't believe in selecting the same team just because you won the week before. Anyone being honest would say that things did not fire well in the first test and we had a two huge slices of luck in the first half with the kiwi third try being chalked off and the jammy bounce 60 seconds later for our first try. The other way around and the Kiwis were out of sight in that game (the penalty count second half hid the true awfulness of our kicking game).

I would also say that this is the most unhappy looking bunch of players I've seen in an England shirt for a very long time.

I noticed how narrow the Kiwi defence was in our half. A couple of quick long passes out wide would have got round their fringe. We didn't even think to try that.

Another approach could be to bring in SMEs for different parts of the team.

Head Coach: Brian Mac
Forwards Coach: Jamie Peacock
Halfback Coach: Sean Long
Hooking Coach: Kieran Cunningham
Fullback Coach: Paul Wellens
Centres Coach: Keith Senior
Wing Coach: Jason Robinson
Defensive Coach: Paul Anderson
Kicking Coach: Kevin Sinfield
Motivational Speaker: Shaun Wane
Waterboy: Steve McBanana

Of course some of this is tongue in cheek, but we need to sort out the International Game.

He's a quality kicker, but I don't think we can afford a talent like that.

How about Shaun Wane doubleling up as a Post Match Apologists as well as motivational speaker to cut costs.

Shaun Wane can be official dog-kicker

Having any number of head coaches working together wouldn't work IMO.

Would rather see one head coach and a couple of experienced assistants working with them. Maybe the likes of Kieron Purtill and Willie Poching.

I must admit that I don't like Wigans tactics but surely several people must admit that Wane sends his teams out wound up to boss games and with our forward pack being quite a unit it might be what England need to do in order to succeed. The motivation in the short space of time is what international sides need because the combinations are never well enough developed.