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| Quote: ThePrinter "Well as are company is being taken over ATM and relocating some people are taking redundancy even though its only an extra 2-3 miles to travel. Why? Because they see the easy opportunity of getting around £10,000 without having to work for it. So like I said, a lot of those 2.2 million won't really be devastated at not having to work even if they like to claim they do. How many of those are honest individuals and how many have 'Jeremy Kyle' potential?'"
What does their potential or attitude matter? If there are 2.7 million people without jobs and only 470,000 of them could possibly get a job what does it matter what the other 2.2 million are like? They couldn't get a job anyway because there arent enough. I sympathise with your argument in that, yes there are some who don't want a job, but comments like "people just don't want to work" are just lazy stereotypes simply based simply upon your/Harrigans anecdotal evidence.
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| Quote: ThePrinter " I started at work on about 5 and half pound an hour, not exactly great. '"
I started work at £940.
A year
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| And surely banding about numbers like the 2.2 million left unemployed is equally lazy just to create newspaper/tv news headlines that will grab peoples attention. From 2000 -2006 well before recession become a buzz word the unemployment averaged around 1.5 million, so really the headlines could read '700,000 extra left unemployed during the UK's financial crisis'. But then 2.2 million grabs peoples attention much more than 700,000 now doesn't it.
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| Quote: ThePrinter "And surely banding about numbers like the 2.2 million left unemployed is equally lazy just to create newspaper/tv news headlines that will grab peoples attention. From 2000 -2006 well before recession become a buzz word the unemployment averaged around 1.5 million, so really the headlines could read '700,000 extra left unemployed during the UK's financial crisis'. But then 2.2 million grabs peoples attention much more than 700,000 now doesn't it.'"
How is that relevant other than in proving its harder than it used to be to find a job?
How is quoting the official unemployment and vacancy figures when describing the amount of unemployed people compared to vacancies, lazy?
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| Because figures don't show how many want work and how many are happy to accept dole.
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| Quote: Him "2.67 million unemployed. 473,000 vacancies. Where do the 2.2 million who are left go to find a job?'"
All I am saying is that I have never had any problems, and i'm not qualified for much. If you want to work, you will find it.
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| Quote: ThePrinter "Because figures don't show how many want work and how many are happy to accept dole.'"
So are you saying that at least 2.2 million out of those 2.67 million who are unemployed don't want to work? Because if it's less than that, then it wouldn't matter how much they wanted to work, would it?
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| Quote: Harrigan "All I am saying is that I have never had any problems, and i'm not qualified for much. If you want to work, you will find it.'"
But you have A-Levels, that's more than a lot of people have. You presumably, have a decent work history with no significant gaps. You, I assume, are fairly young. You might have better self-esteem/confidence than other people. You might have a better support network around you. You might know how to tailor your CV/applications/interviews compared to other people. There are plenty of reasons why employers don't employ people and it's not always down to lack of effort.
Plus, as I said to The Printer, even if all available vacancies were filled it would leave 2.2 million without a job, regardless of their skills, abilities or willingness to work.
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| I'm confused...
There are 2.7 million people unemployed - right?
...and 473,000 vacant jobs?
Why..????
I could understand if there were 2.2 million unemployed and no vacancies but why aren't the 473,000 being filled by the current unemployed populous?
I can only think of two reasons
1) The employers that hold these 473,000 vacant positions feel that none of the 2.7 million currently unemployed have the skills, attitude and ability to fill these potions.
2) The 2.7 million unemployed can't be ar[sizes[/sizeed apply for said vacancies.
Could someone explain for a simpleton like me?
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| Quote: Fat Boy "I'm confused...
There are 2.7 million people unemployed - right?
...and 473,000 vacant jobs?
Why..????
I could understand if there were 2.2 million unemployed and no vacancies but why aren't the 473,000 being filled by the current unemployed populous?
I can only think of two reasons
1) The employers that hold these 473,000 vacant positions feel that none of the 2.7 million currently unemployed have the skills, attitude and ability to fill these potions.
2) The 2.7 million unemployed can't be ar[sizes[/sizeed apply for said vacancies.
Could someone explain for a simpleton like me?'"
I would imagine its because there is a gap in between a job becoming vacant/being advertised as vacant and that job being filled. It generally takes a few weeks from advertising the job, getting all the applications/CV's in, holding interviews, then making a decision. So the vacancies stat will be a snapshot or an average of how many vacancies were out there. In this case for the 3 months up to February 2012.
Im not an expert in these stats but I would imagine that the majority of these 400k vacancies would be filled but then different job vacancies fill the gap for the next set of 3 month stats.
On the ONS website there is a graph which shows the number of vacancies has stayed pretty similar over the last 2 years. Fluctuating between around 450k & 500k.
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| Good thread this.
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| Quote: McLaren_Field "I started work at £940.
A year
How many hot cornish pasties could you afford ?
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Some people’s inability to look at the bigger picture with regards to unemployment in this thread is astonishing. Some people’s inability to consider both sides of the issue surrounding unemployment is disappointing.
My cousin with great difficulty found employment in one of the countries biggest unemployment black spots. This was an exception of someone finding employment in that area rather than the rule. Still I reckon some on here would go around the area where my cousin lives and call the unemployed a set of lazy s.
Some people fail to recognise that job seeking can just be as unproductive as not looking for a job at all. The amount of time someone spends seeking a job could be better spent by doing an actual job and some people do spend an insane amount of time looking for a job. The same could be said for people who sit on their all day. The only time when looking for a job is productive is when there’s a job at the end of it.
Another thing for some of you to consider is whatever happened to Emma Harrison of Action 4 Employment?
Some people on here have helped friends and relatives into jobs. Now some people (overused already haha) get paid for that process and I personally think it’s wrong. Would you expect to be paid for helping someone into a job? You probably won’t expect anything other than the possibility of a pint as a token of thanks. I don’t know how much companies like Action 4 Employment get paid these days for helping people into a job but it’s somewhere in the region of £200 - £400.
Now Emma Harrison made millions out of running that company. She’s recently resigned because of all the bad publicity that her and a4e have had in the media. I recommend that you all have a good read of this - watchinga4e.blogspot.co.uk/2012/ ... s-end.html
Another point I want to make is that some employers are just as fussy as the unemployed. It’s another thing that never gets taken into consideration by the ‘there’s jobs for everyone’ brigade. Why aren’t the fussy employers criticised as much as the fussy unemployed? It’s one rule for one set of people and another rule for the others. I thought we was all equal on this planet?
The final point I want to make is that the system for the unemployed in this country is deeply flawed. It benefits no one other than those who are employed by an industry that’s supposed to help the unemployed back into work. Having any kind of unemployment benefit is more out of circumstance rather than choice.
Now I welcome anyone to try and debunk all that I’ve written here.
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Some people’s inability to look at the bigger picture with regards to unemployment in this thread is astonishing. Some people’s inability to consider both sides of the issue surrounding unemployment is disappointing.
My cousin with great difficulty found employment in one of the countries biggest unemployment black spots. This was an exception of someone finding employment in that area rather than the rule. Still I reckon some on here would go around the area where my cousin lives and call the unemployed a set of lazy s.
Some people fail to recognise that job seeking can just be as unproductive as not looking for a job at all. The amount of time someone spends seeking a job could be better spent by doing an actual job and some people do spend an insane amount of time looking for a job. The same could be said for people who sit on their all day. The only time when looking for a job is productive is when there’s a job at the end of it.
Another thing for some of you to consider is whatever happened to Emma Harrison of Action 4 Employment?
Some people on here have helped friends and relatives into jobs. Now some people (overused already haha) get paid for that process and I personally think it’s wrong. Would you expect to be paid for helping someone into a job? You probably won’t expect anything other than the possibility of a pint as a token of thanks. I don’t know how much companies like Action 4 Employment get paid these days for helping people into a job but it’s somewhere in the region of £200 - £400.
Now Emma Harrison made millions out of running that company. She’s recently resigned because of all the bad publicity that her and a4e have had in the media. I recommend that you all have a good read of this - watchinga4e.blogspot.co.uk/2012/ ... s-end.html
Another point I want to make is that some employers are just as fussy as the unemployed. It’s another thing that never gets taken into consideration by the ‘there’s jobs for everyone’ brigade. Why aren’t the fussy employers criticised as much as the fussy unemployed? It’s one rule for one set of people and another rule for the others. I thought we was all equal on this planet?
The final point I want to make is that the system for the unemployed in this country is deeply flawed. It benefits no one other than those who are employed by an industry that’s supposed to help the unemployed back into work. Having any kind of unemployment benefit is more out of circumstance rather than choice.
Now I welcome anyone to try and debunk all that I’ve written here.
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| if you think everyone is equal you are more naive than i thought.
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