Wouldn't that depend on why? Surely if the reason was down to one person, then the same argument would apply?

yes i would agree.

I reckon Singleton could be the other?

Feel sorry for the lad....never given a chance in a badly flailing shiite team. One consolation if he goes (albeit not much of one)....maybe we will find out the truth fom him about what is stinking out the joint at HQ.

Who said anything about other SL clubs? Watkins has had many suitors in RU and in the NRL, and a few months of staleness and having the life sucked out of him defending as a second row isn't going to put off scouts who know what he can do in a well-oiled machine. If he's got any ambitions to develop his game or his lifestyle he should take one of the offers, hopefully one that lets him stay in rugby league.

As for 'wanting his contract ripped up', I find that unlikely to happen. Many would pay a good fee no matter how poor his current form.

I don't blame Baldwinson one bit for this. Even with all the injuries we have, the young player of the year 2015 in the championship can't get in our squad. Something wrong with that.

I wouldn't be surprised if the other two were singleton (as he has been missing for recent weeks) and Hardaker (playing out of position and doesn't look happy).

Yeah I'm sure that the version of events coming from the Hardaker camp. In the real world though you'd have to be incredibly naive or bias towards Hardaker to think the club had nothing to say to one of their players about threatening people online in a drunken state.

Have his camp admitted to you yet that the real reason he was told by Leeds to leave the World Cup squad was because he swung a punch at a Carnegie player (but missed and then Carnegie player sat Zak on his backside)......no they wouldn't would they because that would make him look bad and at fault and they'd never do that.

Not surprised by this the kid hasn't had a chance under this regime but injured players & soft gits get selected?
In terms of Props Singleton/Cuthbertson have proved more than capable at 13 & Baldwinson himself has played plenty of BR in the past so i dont buy that there has been no room or chance to give him minutes.
As for the other 2 who've asked to go GH imo should hopefully convince them to stay along with a complete off field re-build with some quality on field recruitment thrown in.

Hardakers camp? What the hell are you on about. A disagreement with a Carnegie player had nothing to do with him leaving the England camp, it was unrelated. Leeds had nothing to do with him leaving the England camp. You might think you know, but you don't mate. And you are completely and utterly wrong again with this new presumption about Twitter, that I can give you 100% assurance. Up to you if you want to think otherwise.

You've even admitted before his England exit wasn't England's decision. You and those close to Hardaker need to remove that halo you put above his head if you think he was removed from the England squad and fined just for going out whilst in camp and why he was put onto anger management courses because the student attack wasn't his first strike wih regards to a physical incident.

You hear things from family and friends of players and take it as gospel without stopping to consider it'll be a biased version of events where their loved one is portrayed as the victim or hard done by.

You blamed the club about the World Cup episode and treating him harshly.

The 2nd homophobic incident you claimed the club was hanging in out to dry because they didn't put out a statement within 24 hours.

The student attack last year again you slam the club's handling out it.

Why don't you go buy him a Mario Balotelli "why always me?" t-shirt. I bet if he let off fireworks in his house just like Balotelli you'd be on here blaming the club.

why hasn't baldy even been given a go in our side?
i certainly don't blame him or singleton with their current gripes and none selection this season when both are fit and available, whilst a certain soft cock is stealing a wage with his none committed performances each time he is selected above them both

Printer, I mean this with sincerity, but I think you need to stay away for a bit and take some rest. You are found out on here daily of late. Here you are again making things up, and it just seems to be a daily occurance. From saying you are at matches whilst at home on here, or saying you are the only one allowed to post something heard. It's not like it is to do with me, I can count at least six other posters who have formed out your mis postings in arguments with you over last couple of weeks alone.

Your constant hole digging in defence of the indefensible is just destroying you mate. Go away take a rest and come back when you remember what you have said, and then what others have, rather than manufactured stuff like above. And for your information, there are countless posters on here who I have messaged with privately who could confirm I have at times been miles away from complimentary of Mr Hardaker. Things just seem to eat away at you, and you can't let it go. I have said before you are like a child who needs the last word.

Get of your high horse.

Just because some of what you hear is questioned and called on when incorrect you get so defensive and bitchy. You're hardly one to talk about having disagreements with others on here and I'm far from the only person who has shown you up to be wrong with one of your "in the loop" stories.

Despite what you claim about you are always defending Hardaker on here, he can do no wrong and when he f**ks up its the club's fault so no wonder you've never been able to handle hearing his slated whether it's for on or off field reasons.

If you want to join the other two sad acts in believing I don't attend the matches I say I do then so be it.....you just sound really petty and pee'd off because I've dared counted something you've wrote. I've always been honest about what games I've attended or not. No I didn't go to HKR or Hudds away last year. I won't be going to the Magic weekend and probably not Warrington away the following week as barring the odd one I admit my away games are usually just the West Yorkshire based ones......unlike others on here I don't need to lie. Those people need to work out why a mobile phone is called a MOBILE phone.

No one makes more up on here than you, you get called on some and when it goes wrong you change your story or claim you didn't write that. You get some correct and you think that makes every rumour you post true when it clearly isn't.

Maybe you should go away for a while and come back when you've stopped being driven by trying to look better than everyone on here. Your view that I have been proven wrong on here on a daily basis just because you disagree with me and not fact is clear evidence of this.

Like I said, like a little petulant child, and you go prove it all over again. Your a lost cause mate, but I did genuinely mean it when I said take a break, because you do come across a little unstable. Your obviously an intelligent chap, and do make good points, but you just have this little man syndrome and things eat away at you. Get well soon. Hugs and kisses.

its a good thread this, but Gotcha you oscillate between obvious evasion and overly specific, just leave yourself a bit of wiggle room and you could carry on playing with him and not have to finish quicker than Ferris when the a car pulls up outside.