The kick off is at the right time. That night match is what makes the GF so great. Night time matches have so much more about them, so much more atmosphere and intenstity in the game.

Removing that just for the benefit of stopping alcholic dicks is just ridiculous.

The Challenge cup final was far worse, and that's an earlier kick off.

That depends on who you listen to. Frankly it seems to be a lottery as to whether someone's matchday experience is ruined by a p1ssed up idiot, regardless of whether it's CC or GF.

The CC is always a pish up

I also don't agree with this rubbish about Leeds fans, or Warrington fans, or Saints fans, etc. In my experience the trouble mainly flares from neutrals.

At the Challenge cup finals the neutrals always see it as their day rather than the finalists, and because of how great the rugby is the GF is also moving that way.

That fight in the east stand on Saturday, wasn't Leeds fans with Warrington, it was Wigan fans against Warrington.

In most other sports, finals are for the two teams involved. I'm not suggesting ban neutrals, that would be daft. But perhaps try and have RFL sold tickets around one area/stand, and the finalists in their own ends of the ground. Is that moving to segregation? who knows but it's better than the way it is going.

I should also add, I am using the word "nuetrals" here very loosly. Because seldom does a final occur with true neutrals. Especially in the case of Leeds, there is a clear jelousy from certain clubs fans that means whilst not a normal supporter of one club, they certainly become a supporter for that day.

Pointing the finger at neutrals is pretty ridiculious.

If the cap fits.

And for the record, that is not what I said. If you read it properly I said there is in the majority of occassions no true neutrals.

Just to put the other side into this debate , there was 4 of us sat in the East stand on Saturday (as we do every year) all in our Hull shirts (one of these even had a rovers shirt on !!) and we had no trouble at all enjoyed some friendly banter with fans around me , but the fans were a credit to the club . Even back at the hotel was sat with Leeds fans and discussing the game we had just seen and next season .
Even the 4 Warrington fans near us had no problems apart from when they left with 5 mins to go and the full crowd around them sang "we can see you sneaking out" that did make me chuckle.

You must have been near to me. Near the North stand corner?
I was a little annoyed at the constant disgruntlement at decisions by the ref and the constant trail of people going to the bar/toilet.
It was all pretty good natured on the whole.

there were a lot of people near me who could be considered knownowts. Moaning at the ref because the players were in front of him (though he was clearly 11 or 12 meters back from the ruck), and various other ill-informed opinions.

Best was towards the end when someone tried to start a round we can see you sneaking out, and when I turned to look, there was a full stand, and barely anyone on their way.

I particularly enjoyed one woman bemoaning Sinfield getting laid out by a "dirty b'st'rd" and yet two minutes later calling for someone to put Monaghan in "f'kin' 'ospitaaaallll!!!!"

were you sat next to me

I had a troop (or whatever the collective noun is) of young screeching 8 year old's sat behind me. Every time we scored it was like a high pitched alarm had gone off - thank God is wasn't a high scoring game.

In front of us we had two middle aged blokes who spent most of the game 'flicking the V's' at a handful of Wire supporters in the next block along. Funny as both of them were quite knowledgeable when I spoke to the before kick off.

Nearing the end of the match and according to the 4 Saints fans sat behind me, Leeds had been offside at EVERY single PTB during the ENTIRE game.

It makes a change to them bemoaning about forward passes