You haven't learned from your neighbours the other side of the lump over recent years, have you?

Where you finish on the ladder at the end of the regular season is an irrelevance. It's how you turn up in the playoffs that counts.

IMO, with the Saints monkey off their back these days, Warrington are the best side in the competition - particularly for one-off games like the playoffs.

Based on Wires brilliant play off record?

I wasn't aware we'd adopted the Argentinian football system of deciding things based on a three year average of results? What Warrington have done in the playoffs since 1998 is irrelevant.

Even if we were using that as a yardstick, Warrington's record in one-off, lose and you're out games over the last couple of years in all competitions is up there with Leeds and Saints.

It's certainly better than Wigan's over the same period. How long was it before last year since you reached a major final?

Good thread this. Anyone for cake?

So we are comparing One off massive cup games against the likes of Featherstone, Swinton, and Keighley to beating Wigan, Saints, Leeds and Huddersfield? Right you win hands down then!
But until last season Leeds fans kept informing us that its what you do in the play offs and we didnt have it in us!

As for last final think you know its 2003 but I thought it was all about the here and now not about looking into rugbys past for facts and figures or as that change now!! Even then you say use since the play offs as a yard stick but then only use last few years!!

You changed it the minute you brought up Warrington's play-off record.

If you don't want reference making to your own team's choking, don't bring up someone else's as a yardstick.

wigan fans are talking like they've won both trophies already

Good post that.

I love Wigan fans, they always make me feel better about myself.

You brought up the winning play off type games!!
Also think you will find that in win or bust games over the last few years Wigan have won more than both Wire and Leeds but hey o!

the games that can really be described as "win or bust"are finals,wether they are SL finals or CCfinals and Wire have won the last two win or bust CC finals,and Leeds?well hey o!I think they've won a few win or bust games in the last few year's,as you say HEY O!

Not going off my choice, I was going off the one off lose and your out games!

surely leeds won more of these games last year due to us A) beating you in the cup and B) beating you at the Pie Dome

The game at Wigan was not a lose and your out game!

Was for us!