That forward pass, from memory, was when Sinfield had to reach forward and juggle with the ball before securing posession. It happened right in front of us, and was a wrong call from Terry. I can totally understand why it was given, when a team plays flat and you see someone having to reach forward it gives the impression of a forward pass, but to my eyes he got the call wrong.

You must be stood near me then LP. Bang on halfway inbetween the 1st barrier and the wall?

Either way I watched it back on Sky and it went forward. You could also tell by Buderus' reaction that it was forward because he wasnt happy with himself.

Disa, I think he is overrated - much stems from his junior days when he was well over-hyped - his lack of impact at international level should not be overlooked by those fawning at his feet.

But the same can be said of you and many on here regarding McGuire - his impact in many games is crucial but gets overlooked by many who see no value in him. For me he is the X factor in the Leeds side and has proved it consistently when it matters.

Ironically, moving him to first receiver would force him to do two things he doesn't do well - that's make decisions on the fly and organise those around him.

He needs to be at second receiver in the same way that Pryce does. When McGuire goes to first man he has a tendency to want to look for gaps himself too often, much the same as Dunnemann used to get crucified for doing.

Get him running onto a ball in front of him at pace and against an adjusting defence wider of the ruck and he can be a lot more effective.

That is a very good point regarding Marshall/McGuire.

Just behind there, in front of the second barrier. If (sorry, when) you hear the old guy shouting "Bloody Rubbish" then we're in front of him.

I think you are wrong on the overrated big style. Most under rated player in super league IMO. And as a junior he derserved all the hype, and as lived up to it in his pro career. How many other captains have 3 championship winners medals? Has there every been another Leeds Captain before with that.

I think you have me wrong on the McGuire issue too. I am a big fan of McGuire. I am not a big fan of the McGuire Burrow partnership, and never have been.

It was the touch judge, not Alibert who gave it.

I know what you mean but you are basing his decision making skills on him playing at 6 where naturally he hass less time on the ball because it has already gone through 2 pairs of hands and the defence has moved up.


Last night his decision making was superb. He periodically ran the ball in himself making half a gap and even though this didnt lead to any breaks it served a purpose because every time he got the ball the Hull players didnt have a clue what was going to happen and this led to a few tries and a disalowed 1.

Last night McGuire played the best footy in a few years IMO. He never took the ball stood still and never just caught and passed. He took the line on every time in an attacking position and passed deep. How many holes did this create? It was quite superb and Leeds last night were very well structured.

As I say IMO McGuire is a 7 and last night proved that with a few more seconds on the ball without the defence in your face he knows what to do.

There are that many moaning old b******* down there these days that it is hard to keep track

You've talked sh[size.[/sizeit on here in the past, granted, but that is embarrassing.

362 tackles with 15 misses this season. 710 tackles with 28 misses last season. In the top 10 tacklers last season, on the cusp of the top 25 this season. Considering he defends in the middle of the park and goes in low and hard more often than not, I'd love to see you tell me which part of his defence is poor.

I think he's on about defensive reads more than missed tackles. Same as what Sheens said about Ellis when he went over to Aus this year and that got the same reaction off our fans as you just came out with. Remember, stats donts tell you non atempts.

Just been on stats site - interesting your comment on Kirke's missed tackles
Kirke played 11 missed 13
Ablett played 13 missed 31
Ali played 11 missed 16
Bailey played 9 missed 12
JJB played 13 missed 27
Peacock played 13 missed 18
Burgess played 12 missed 25

But I don't think Roby reads the game badly either to be honest? You don't often see players split through gaps either side of him. I could understand someone saying it about Keiron this year whos defence has tailed off somewhat but I'd be surprised for anyone to doubt Robys defence whether it be his actual tackling or positioning.