The massive difference between the Sandow & Segayaro positions is that Warrington clearly wanted rid whereas Leeds did not.
Ergo Warrington did not mind him walking away from his contract since that would save them having to pay off him off.

Yes. I did mean the extended 2 year deal rather than the guest appearance at the end of the season, which I agree was much needed.

Funny how William has only brought up Warrington/Sandow and not mentioned Cas/Solomona.

In GH's position if he decided at the end of Segeyaro's stay to NOT extend the deal because of concerns over him staying AND THEN Segeyaro returns to Aus, Barba doesn't get in trouble & Cronulla didn't have the space to sign him and Segeyaro remains a free agent by the time the season kicks off then the exact same posters who are criticsing GH for signing him would be ripping him for letting him go.

^This^. Some people will only ever see the downsides.

That's why it's so easy to troll when EVERYTHING the club does is bad.

The thing with this "inevitable" that people keep saying is this.....

Firstly, how many of the 16 NRL teams would actually want him? Most are happily sorted in the hooking position and he obviously wasn't going to return to Penrith. Realistically probably only a couple of teams were genuinely interested in him pre taking up the Leeds option.

Of those few teams presumably they didn't have the squad or cap space to fit him in. The only way that changes is if they have to release somebody in the off season. Not only did that happen but it just so happened to be at the club that was arguably the one most interested in him previously and furthermore the player they had to release is able to come back by Round 12 so they don't even have to go out and find a replacement for that particular position.

You hadn't seen anything that said he won't be a Leeds player next season so you wouldn't be spending any time time fretting over something that's not happening?

Not everyone is trolling.

For others, this was hardly a straightforward story going process. Player has return to NRL option up until absolute last minute before "committing" to Leeds for next two seasons. I've hired a fair few people over the years and one of the key criteria is "will this person follow through and actually turn up for work".
Personally I would have had no problems if we had said, no to signing him based on a belief he wouldn't commit. The problem is the club can't help but bulls**t and spin instinctively now. Pandering to a few who, you rightly say, freak out if everything isn't perfect has cost the club dearly in credibility.

I think you're placing the cart before the horse there.

Bulls**t and spin seems to me to be an essential part of the armoury of a control freak. It has been embroidered into the fabric of the club since 1996 since the arrival of you-know-who.

An essential element of control freakery is to control the news and control opinion. The CEO has exercised his control more often than not through a combination of secrecy and spin. He likes to make announcements via nodding-dog local RL journalists which takes the fans by surprise.

If any aspects of secrecy and keeping the fans in the dark is compromised by rumour, the CEO will have no qualms about [url=http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/leeds-rhinos/leeds-rhinos-giants-transfer-listed-forward-ferres-is-not-on-rhinos-radar-1-7639477[uentering into post-truth gyrating denial mode[/u[/url.

This is a tragedy because other sports actively encourage rumour, gossip and transfer speculation. It fills column inches in the media and time slots on TV and generates interest beyond the already committed fans.

Is it any wonder RL in this country has little to no media profile and incapable of generating any interest outside of it's own mainly small towns and villages with people like the aforementioned in charge of clubs?

Does anyone know where I can buy a tin foil hat?

There's far too much crap about secrecy and 'dark arts', and he's certainly not The Donald (sorry, POTUS 45) when it comes to spin and post-truth invention. When it comes down to it how many sides would swap their results for our success since '96?

We know GH will f*ck up, as will McD, as will the players. It's an art, not a science, but should we not presume they're not doing what they think is best for the club. People's opinions are very valid, but it's easy to be a back seat driver.

When you have a blatant modus operandi to always take the opposite view, to cajole and rile up people over petty, agenda driven arguments you'll forgive me if I don't subscribe to your frankly bent moral compass.

I don't think William will ever forgive Gary for stealing Kath off him when they were younger.

That was definitely an "inevitable" response

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Back on topic, is it fair to say the the Buderus/Newcastle Knight's link may be finally bearing fruit?
From the Love RL web-site today:
The new Buderus
Tyler Randell is firming more and more as the liekly replacement for James Segeyaro at Leeds. Newcastle are shopping Randell around, we have been told, and the Rhinos need a hooker badly after Segeyaro left them in the lurch. Randell is only 24 and has played in the NRL for the past three years. A Hunter region junior, Randell can also play in the halves and back-row. We understand the Knights aren't interested in Segeyaro, so there's no chance of a swap deal.

PS I note that WE has not rebutted my earlier post about the Wolves/Sandow situation compared to ours with Segeyaro.

I suggest you read Smith's comments properly then.

Sorry Dude but you are wrong on this assumption about Warringtons focus on Sandow being only positive.

Quote from BBC Sports website 23-11-2016
" Australian half-back Chris Sandow's exit from Warrington was not a shock, says Wolves head coach Tony Smith.

The 27-year-old did not report for pre-season training on Monday and his agent told the club he would not see out the final year of his contract....
"The timing of it wasn't great, but Chris is erratic like he is on the field," Smith said.

"I wasn't overly shocked. The timing and the method of informing us was poor, but aside from that there were no grand shocks."

Warrington have retained the player's registration if he wishes to join an NRL club. HENCE THEY CAN STOP HIM PLAYING OR DEMAND A FEE... ( Same as Leeds with Segeyaro ).

Sky Sports Website 21-11-2016
Karl Fitzpatrick, Head of Rugby Operations, said: "Chris is contracted until the end of 2017 and should have reported for pre-season training today (21 November).


"This is a clear breach of contract. We will be retaining his registration until further notice.

Total Rugby League 21-11-2016
“He was OK for most of it, and at sometimes he was a pain in the proverbial. He was a fair mix, he was certainly a character, as everyone had worked out.

“He brightened us up at different stages and was exciting to watch for a while, but he became a bit unreliable.

The two clubs have very similar reactions to these players walking out, the big difference is Segeyaro just signed a new two year contract and was looking to move to an NRL club for more money, nothing to do with homesickness.

Leeds have understood very clearly why Segeyro has failed to return and are just following through their legal right, we are also moving on with looking at other options, but I am sure they can multi task by enforcing a contract and also looking to hopefully recruit a replacement.

It's every thread. No wonder all the great posters left this place.

^^^^ i browse this site and cant believe the same anti Leeds posts on here daily, Support the club, not many on this forum, and frankly WE should be banned, every post is a trolling post, coupled with the usual suspects arguing the black is white and derailing countless threads, one of the big bonuses Winning the treble in 15 was WE disappeared for six months

How is a Leeds support site anti Leeds? Is a message board not for discussing mixed opinions? Not everything is good what the club do, why is it such an issue to discuss it? Judging by this board we really must have the most gullible followers of any other club. No other board has such an issue in discussing their clubs issues.

Might I simply suggest if you have problems with people having a different opinion to yourself, then simply put them on ignore, and that way you don't see their posts.

I don't see the issue so much.Yes, the bickering at times tends to go on a little too long with certain posters, and they know who they are. But at least the site is not dead like others (Saints is a ghost town). At the end of the day, we are all here to talk RL and first and foremost Leeds RL.

I would suggest these labelled 'great posters' of years gone by have fallen out of love with the game in general or have better things to do with their time these days and aren't as deep into it as they were to bother as much as they 'can't stand the bickering'.

The bickering was always here anyway. I have only been posting since 2012, but used to be a lurker for a fair few years before that and the moaning, whinging and bickering back then was still prevalent. Not saying some good people hdon't bother anymore, but really it's Just another' ahhh, it was so much better back in the day' attitude if you ask me

You are totally correct, and all that has happened is some posters moaning are just replaced by others, or in some cases just under a different alias.

Although we never had a situation through all those years, and talking about the board before Southstander also here, where it was frowned upon to post something perceived negative.