As often we must agree to differ - the fact that if, you are correct and there is a dearth of half backs in the NRL Croft would be there already. I would suggest Craig Bellamy to be a good judge of a RL player and he had Croft and let him go.

Sezer played 3 times as many games in the NRL as Croft - we never saw Sezer put in any effort when he was over here. Different quality of player to Croft.

I am not saying we should remove Croft - he is not Frawley - he just needs to up his game.

Yes let’s agree to disagree, i suspect your in a minority of people who thinks that about Croft.

Croft wasn't let go by Bellamy as such. He was a relatively unproven halfback, and the Broncos offered him a huge deal to go there, and he really didn't handle the pressure well. To the point that his form and confidence collapsed and he went to England. The common factor between the Broncos and Leeds is that he was/is expected to drive the team to some uber level of performance when frankly the rest of the team just isn't very good.

Earlier today, Brad Arthur was asked if he would consider a job in England, he answered in the affirmative.

If we loose next week hes gone.

For him to be saying we're still a new team is frankly embarrassing

12 games in now iirc, the point where most agreed was a fair time to judge RS.

Anyone ?

Only 6 points off top stop complaining!

*chefs kiss*

The longer we keep him , the longer it will take to sort the mess out

I have to say that any fans still saying we should keep RS to the end of the season are deluded - the guy is out of his depth , and is now taking both the team and the club backwards - we are becoming a laughing stock !
What also has to be considered is that keeping him to the end of the season creates other major problems for his successor. Teams are already looking at signings for next season ( I predict Martyn will be in the NRL , Ash will be off the Cats and Croft the NRL ) if he stays on.
By getting a new coach in now , it gives the guy a chance to look at the whole system - recruitment, training, conditioning , and the team as this all needs sorting . He will at least have a chance to do this , so we don`t waste next season , which is what will happen if RS stays to the end of the season, as well as the new guy being left with the dregs , that no one else wants , as far as new signings are concerned . To do this major review of our club , we need a tried and trusted experienced coach , and not the " trainee " currently in charge.

exactly. plus a new coach, if good, might persuade people like Croft to stay

It does make you wonder what Croft and Ackers think of Smiths coaching ability and tactics having previously played under a very good coach.

He's going to leave us in a terrible state if we dont get shot immediately, Friday night was as soft a performance as i can remember seeing, everyone involved really should be embarrassed, getting physically dominated and rag dolled like that, humiliating, or it should be.

The more I think about this the more I think we need to change now. I’d ask Shaun Wane if he would take the job for the rest of this year, but not longer, and then would look to bring in either Brad Arthur or Peter Wallace. Wane would clear out the rank culture, and could advise on players to keep or replace such that Arthur or Wallace would then be able to start with a clean slate.

The culture on the sporting side stinks and we nee a strong hand to clean that up first.