Arthur said in his post match press conference that this week would be review, followed by a week of pre-season before they break. My reading of that is that this is the week where some frank discussions with contracted staff (including coaches) might occur.

Oh for a Phil Ford now old Teflon hands.
I'd even settle for an Eddie Rombo.

Me and the missus are jacking after many consecutive years as season ticket holders. I was going to Jack after the 2022 season, the total lack of integrity within the governing body and the judiciary made me so angry I swore I’d never go to another game of Rugby League. I’ve renewed on the last day of early bird for the last two seasons, but I really do regret renewing for 2024. I’ve not enjoyed it one bit. It’s not the crap team, it’s how crap the game itself has become. Everybody’s different, and some people happily put up with whatever is being offered to them, I’m not one of them. Good luck to those who pay their money and continue to subsidise what I consider a pale comparison of the sport I used to love, but they ain’t getting any more of my dollar.

I suggest you go watch your local amateur team, they will need the support and money from the food and drink, and you’ll probably enjoy it more.

My local amateur team that I followed for many years no longer exists. It was Queens RLFC. They were one of the teams that stuck to Winter rugby while the RFL were offering financial inducements to all the other teams to move to summer rugby alongside the professional game. They were BARLA cup holders and a great club in their day. The RFL effectively destroyed them and other winter based teams, and the move to summer rugby for the other clubs has been an absolute disaster. I started watching East Leeds in the summer league but they couldn’t even raise a team some weeks. The RFL has well and truly wrecked the amateur game in Leeds. Some smaller clubs may have appeared but the giants of Leeds amateur rugby are all struggling, East Leeds and Milford were in the bottom tier last season, and Stanningley hovering near the bottom of tier two. East Leeds got promoted and may have become a bit more stable again so I may go and watch them next season.

Plus the fact he usually only plays first team when we are at the bare bones , so usually we are more over run than normal which makes it harder for him . The kid is talented without doubt but i fear he will move on and prove it elsewhere .

Correct , every year for the last eight years we have been told we have signed the best bunch of junior talent since the Golden generation , yet very little appears in the senior side . If that is not proof of poor coaching at youth level then what is it .

Wouldn't be surprised if Sinfield Jr turns out to be the next Jordan Lilley. No idea how they all get on at training but limited game time even when other options are questionable makes you wonder. Hopefully he proves me wrong but if he didn't have the Sinfield surname would people think he was as good?

Let's hope that you are right, and the 'Leeds are close to the cap' messages coming from the club are simply a means to avoid being taken to the cleaners by player agents etc. The Rhyse Martin exit would give credence to this, but you have to wonder if it really was only about money, and other personal issues such as a different challenge, prospect of silverware and length of contract offered also played a part.

I suspect there is transfer money available if the right player is identified, but that won't help us bring in NRL players, and that is where the cap and marquee slots need to be used a lot more effectively.

We'd be making progress of sorts if that did happen. Far too few of our prospects push on in a meaningful way, either with us or elsewhere.

Sinfield will have to be really good at passing, kicking and leading the team around to make up for his lack of speed and size. Having said that, we've all seen plenty of half backs who star as juniors because they're quick who fail to kick on because that's all they've got.

It seems like the juniors coming through are significantly better as a group than for a long time, at least in the backs. But our development has been really poor for years. Most of the home grown regulars came through years ago - Handley, Holroyd, Newman, Oledzki, Smith all debuted 2018 or earlier. Of the current side the only regular to come through after that is O'Connor.

If you don't enjoy it any more then stopping going makes sense. Feeling the need to tell the world about it in this way on here may make some question your motives.

But the world moves on. For me my favourite aspect of the club's great years were lingering memories of the struggles before - such as 86 and 96. It made the difficult times worth it.

Agree with that. We were in the wilderness for a long time from the late 70's ( with a brief 2 year blip) up until 2004. I know we had some decent times during that period, but by and large we got stuffed when it mattered. When Danny took Senior's pass to go over for the winner at Old Trafford it was a moment of deliverance. I hope KR/Wire/Salford/Leigh fans get to have that experience in the coming weeks. I know not everybody has been following the club for the same portion of time, but if you started supporting Leeds from mid noughties on I would humbly submit that your sense of perspective and entitlement is inevitably skewed. I appreciate people have different and very valid reasons for packing it in, but I'll continue to wait for the next moment of deliverance. I don't think it will be 30 odd years this time.

I started watching in 1981, and was at Wigan when we won the JPT in 1984. The next win was the Yorkshire Cup 1988. After that more than a decade to the Challenge Cup 1999. It took 18 years to win a major trophy, so I'm pretty tolerant of barren spells.

But I have more sense now of how to build a decent team, and it really frustrates me to see how badly the team has been run since the end of the Goldens. Watching the team fall apart has been like watching a slow motion car wreck, with warning signs even before 2015.

On the plus side it feels that Blease is laser focused on getting us back to the top, and I'm confident Arthur will leave the club in a better state than when he arrived. The downside is it feels like we're 2-3 years away from really competing and Arthur is unlikely to be here to steer us there. I can live with that but I do understand if some have reached the end of their tether for now. Hopefully green shoots of long term recovery and they'll be back.

Yep. I was there at the JP, last hurrah for the likes of Holmes, Dick and co. I'm probably more optimistic than you, in that I believe we've been fighting with the equivalent of two broken hands (due to our criminal lack of props) for the most part of the decade. I believe Arthur and Blease will sort that this year, and as result the rest of the team will improve exponentially. Not saying we'll be champions but we can stop being also rans in 25. If Salford and Leigh can compete with their lack of infrastructure there is no reason to think that we can't rise again very quickly.