It was Hall, we were slightly unlucky before that in that the whole break came about from an offside call that was missed on their line

Have to say that offside call that led to the Warrington 3rd try was a piece of poor judgement by Silverwood having had another look

You must give Smith a massive credit. He got his game plan bang on and he got his players to follow the plan to the letter. McClennan needs to look at what happened - he had his ass kicked big style.

Leeds looked lethargic and unenthusiastic. The senior players simply failed to deliver on the day. Buderus simply froze on the day - which given he has played in Aussie GF and SOO shows the magnitude of the CC. Without Peacock we don't have a go forward prop neither Bailey nor Kylie troubled Warrington's defence. So we could not go round them, we could not go through them the only way was over them and McClennan needed to get Webb more involved but he was nowhere to be seen.

On defence our was a shambles - again the senior players were all at sea, JJB/Sinfield/Buderus/Senior especially were appalling - the number of times Warrington went back inside from the wing and we could not handle it.

The manner of this defeat will take some getting over - they weren't just beat - Warrington simply dismantled them. If this is a champion side then now is the time to show it. Without Peacock to lead I am not sure who will stand up and take the mantle. The team selection at game plan will be interesting to observe at Hull.

Warrington were magnificent and even at our very best we would have struggled to compete.

How GH thinks this same squad can compete next season at this level defies belief - a go forward prop and serious centre are desperately required.

For me, that offside call was one occasion when the kit clash went against us. It was just a mass of blue and yellow, and on first viewing, I couldn't tell who it had come off to be honest.

Very good point, not really considered that

I agreed with pretty much everything you wrote, until this.

This squad have won 3 championships in a row. Despite being decimated by injuries for large parts of the season they lie 4th in the league and have recorded wins against all those teams above them, 5 out of 9 in total. They've also reached the Challenge Cup Final and while it will be very difficult could still make an impact in the playoffs.

While I think everyone can see there are areas to improve I see no reason at all why this squad in it's current state would not be competitive next year.

One of those odd occasions where you wish that we hadn't tackled Riley(?) as then it could have been referred to the video referee.

I thought that as he running through. I've also thought that in the past and been completely wrong (only occasionally mind) with what I thought I saw.

I guess you just have to accept that referees make human errors. I thought Silverwood had a great game overall FWIW

Why would they be, Leeds were clearly the underdogs going in to the game.



I thought exactly that when McGuire scored in the WCC earlier this season. Turned out I was wrong and he was onside on that occasion.

Not going to add too much to what's been said, but the two moments that summed up what's going wrong for me at the moment were kicks in the second half. Both were 6th tackle plays, and both were aimless. One was high kick from Sinny, which no Leeds player got anywhere near attacking, and the other was one that I think was meant to be a grubber from Disko near the Wire line, and wnet straight into the arms of a Wire defender. Most of the season, our last tackle plays have been woeful. When we get near the opposition line, we rarely force a repeat set, more often than not we turn over possesion meakly. We need more tactical nouse.

I don't understand where it's gone. Our last two GF wins were composed of almost flawless tactical play.

Leeds were very poor. We played defensively about the same standard against Sts in the semi, who managed to score 28 points against us without a proper halfback. I suspect that win again papered over some cracks in too many minds, as did the recent wins against poor opposition.

Whilst we missed Peacock and Ali, Warington were very well drilled and Smith had a gameplan that worked to perfection. Leeds OTOH looked to be completely clueless at times, and the most worrying thing ought to be the defence. Leeds have looked on both attack and defence to be almost completely uncoached at times this year - and under stress in a big game that showed.

What is abundantly obvious is that Bluey and the senior players need to rethink the way they approach the season. They need to remember that its hard work and trying to get into form consistently that has enabled them to win titles, not winging it for most of the year and hoping that because they are a great team it will all work out on the day.

If we drop out of the play offs early I suspect there will be a lot of soul searching at the club, because these players can and should do better, and I doubt they'll want to see the memory of their fantastic efforts over the past few years be tarnished.

Agree about Silverwood. It was over 20 minutes before the first penalty.

I think all the major sides have improved their squads for next season, Leeds have stood still gone backwards. I fail to see how we are going to compete with stronger sides next year that we have struggled against this year?

Peacock apart we struggle to make ground and that really showed on Saturday. Add to that the lack of pace - a situation that can only get worse as the players get a year older.

On injuries most of the top sides have had similar issues that Leeds have had and that should not mask what has been a pretty turgid year.

I wonder if the relationship between McClennan and the players is not what was - there just seems and under current? I would suspect McDermott coming could be an indication that McClennan may not see out his year's extension.

I won £30 from a 50p bet of a Leeds knock-on within 10 second....who'd have thought it eh!!!!

After suffering a traumatic loss, it is very easy to see the situation as being far worse than it actually is. The lack of go forward is a worry but, we would have struggled without JP and Ali last year or the year before for that matter.

I don't think we lack pace either, with the exception of Atkin's second try which came on the break, everything came from relatively close range and defenders were near to the attacking player. Perhaps Keith has lost a yard but, if Watkins comes through, that situation will improve.

If Saturday is the only indicator, on that basis St Helens should have given up the ghost after the 2007 Grand Final.