The effort is there but it's almost an 'auto-pilot' effort....not an effort of a team determined to defend their titles.

I think the mutual respect for each other doesn't exist anymore. There is no way Mullally would have made such a pathetic attempt at a tackle as he did for the second try if Peacock had been on the field. No way Hardaker would have been mouthing off at his team mates like he did if either Peacock or Sinfield had been on the field.

The whole smacks of a team that needs some leadership and some senior players to start setting an example by their own quality on the field. Hardaker is hardly in position to shout at anyone given his own pathetic performances. JJB would be the obvious Peacock replacement in that respect - he needs to start pointing some fingers and pointing out a few home truths

The old adage about keeping on doing the same things and being surprised when results don't change would seem to apply if the only off-field response is training more and harder.

Schofield's also right when he says individual players need to look at themselves before anyone else.

Well we've got room for at least one new player next year with Achurch told to move on according to the YEP.

Some interesting reading regarding Mitch thinking the coached need to get their heads together because the players are doing what they are told and. Working hard.

Not sure how much I agree with that.

Get distinct impression Mitch does not care for Mac very much ! There is a good player in there somewhere but sadly its never worked out for him at leeds

At the top level results are rarely down to lack of physical effort, initially at least. They are down to poor execution.

Would you blame him? don't think many care for Mac either.

I think there will be more than Achurch going end of season. Really Leeds should also be looking to manager the cap with what signings are needed, and to do that I would also release Burrow, Delaney, and dare I say it Hall (as I don't think we lose anything with Handley replacing, but save big money). Falloon and Ferres are out of contract, so you look at the options there.

Definitely think we need to look at a few of those. Achurch already confirmed, if we are being ruthless Walters has the opportunity to fill the Delaney workhorse role. I wouldn't get rid of Hall/Briscoe yet but Handley definitely has them on notice, rest and rotate like Wigan did with Charnley and Manfredi last year.

We should be looking for better than Falloon, I would keep Ferres. Burrow make it clear that he would be impact sub only, he's had a chance to reassert himself as a 7 and blown it. If possible get him a job on the youth development side, he's highly regarded in that aspect.

Galloway, I don't think we will be able to get rid of, but personally I'd prefer to keep both Delaney and Garbutt over him.

I'd like to think that with Achurch confirmed going young Baldwinson will get every chance over him to prove he belongs here, but if it's true they told Achurch he wasn't getting a new contract last year that isn't going to happen

The dressing room must be a strangely quiet place this season! There are players who could and should step up and do the talking that gets the results in terms of motivation, confidence and intent. Mac is not doing that and some, like Achurch, have their minds on something else. He has been focussed on his new business venture and he can't think about two things at one time! He has never appeared to give his all to me. I am completely unimpressed with the impact of all the new signings - even Ferres. Sorry, but he just does not do it for me. So - we need both new coach and new players, but they are not out there at this moment in time, so what do we do? It is not about 'grafting' or working longer. It is about attitude , motivation and pride and getting the right game plan to perform as a team again. So do we use this season as a platform to rebuild towards that or do we just accept that this is now where we belong? It's an obvious answer, surely.

It's that Mac doesn't like Mitch more like. In Pre-Season he plays him at Prop (which isn't his position), then b0ll0cks him for not playing how he wants. Then he drops him from the team without an explanation. As for the Training situation, the players are getting txts at 8pm telling them where to be the next morning.

Mac got on with Sinfield and Peacock and nobody else. Sinfield and Peacock got on with the Squad. I think it was a case of bridging Coach and Squad. That bridge has gone. Problems have started.

This sounds pretty sensible, however, out of curiosity how do you know this?

I wouldn't be in a rush to judge Ferres. He's come into a side all over the place in attack and lacking that Danny Brough type figure he thrived off at Huddersfield.

Couldn't fault his effort with or without the ball in the games he played, at times he was maybe trying to do too much with the offloads to make something happen. Still one of the best second rows in the competition IMO.

Walters needs to follow Achurch out the door, not be given the Delaney role. Thanks for being in the right place at the right time at Old Trafford, but he's never going to be physically commanding enough to play in the middle unit. He got walked through for Allgood's try on Friday. There looked at one time like there might be a decent player in there somewhere, he ran some clever angles and understood where he needed to be on the field. The attempt by the conditioning staff to bulk him up ahead of the 2015 season though just seems to have completely ruined him as a player.

Those in favour of retaining Burrow in the bench role - when was the last time he came off the bench at dummy half and changed the course of a game? Give him a role with the 16s and 19s, but this should be it in terms of a playing contract.

Hall leaving would be a huge call, I think he's still got an awful lot to give at this level. IIRC his partner was pregnant during pre-season so he's dealing with being a new dad, and then subsequently got injured. Can't see any signs of a terminal decline in his game though.

Discussions with Players and Staff. Hopefully it can be worked around.

Funny. I know Stevie Ward quite well, and what you're claiming (Mac only got on with JP & Kev) is utter rubbish.