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Gotcha brings out the Smith didn't make much difference from DP line. There's always at least one. Its the biggest myth about Leeds from my 30 years watching the game.

I agree that playing staff makes a difference. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. I agree that some of our squad are performing individually poorly, and even at their best with everyone fit we may not be able to win the competition. But its absolute rubbish to suggest that the team put out on Friday couldn't have given Warrington a much better game. They played REALLY BADLY. Far worse than they are capable of.

Underestimating the effect of a good coach is daft. The list of evidence is endless. David Ward in his first season as Leeds coach made us a hugely competitive side with on paper one of our weaker sides (sadly not backed up by the Board in the following year - compare to the massive influx under Laughton straight afterwards). Graham Murray turned a team with a couple of stars and a LOT of previously average players (Fleary, Farrell, Sheridan, Cummins, St Hilaire, Andy Hay, Jamie Mathiou to name but a few) into a really tough side to beat. Tony Smith won us our first championship in 30 years with Lautiti and Bai added to a squad which looked nothing like genuinely capable of winning the competition the year before. McGuire won Wigan a competition in his first year with not that many changes. Smith won Warrington the CC in his first year. In the NRL Wayne Bennett won St George their first title in years again with only a few changes to previous squads which looked to have no chance.

A good coach makes players look better. When you compare Wire's squad to ours one on one with everyone fit there are a number of Leeds players 'better' than (or at least as good as) their counterparts. What we saw on Friday was a complete shambles from one team and a very good effort from the other. Its not that long ago that Warrington were the other way round - lots of talented players who got blown apart by other teams.

Simply put, I don't have any confidence at all in McDermott to be able to turn things around.

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Quote: BrisbaneRhino "Gotcha brings out the Smith didn't make much difference from DP line. There's always at least one. Its the biggest myth about Leeds from my 30 years watching the game.'"


Where? Show it mate. It annoys me when people jump in posting something that has not been said. Show where I have put Smith did not make a difference, otherwise an apology would be appreciated.

Quote: BrisbaneRhino "I agree that playing staff makes a difference. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. I agree that some of our squad are performing individually poorly, and even at their best with everyone fit we may not be able to win the competition. But its absolute rubbish to suggest that the team put out on Friday couldn't have given Warrington a much better game. They played REALLY BADLY. Far worse than they are capable of.'"


I agree, not disputing that at all. But when all said and done, no matter who the coach was we would still be on the same number of points we are now, with the same losses. From that you would have the very same posters putting the very same complaints. So what changes?

My own personal opinion is that I would be prepared to lose every week if we played rugby like we were doing in 2005. But the fact is the club and the fans are not going to accept that. And we are not going to get back to winning and good rugby without a change in playing personel.


Quote: BrisbaneRhino "Simply put, I don't have any confidence at all in McDermott to be able to turn things around.'"


And no where have I suggested I do either. But it is a pointless exercise to change the coach without having significant changes to the playing personel.

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I think we would have picked up a few extra points with a better manager in charge

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I agree Ferdy ,Gotcha a better coach would of had us much better organised defensively at least and that's what cost us games against the Pies ,Quinns ,HKR and Saints.
I reckon we'd of won at least 2 of those 4 games mentioned with a better coach.

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Quote: rhinoms "I agree Ferdy ,Gotcha a better coach would of had us much better organised defensively at least and that's what cost us games against the Pies ,Quinns ,HKR and Saints.
I reckon we'd of won at least 2 of those 4 games mentioned with a better coach.'"



Pie in the sky fantasy mate. I reckon I could have been shagging Cheryl Cole had I met her.

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Quote: Gotcha "Pie in the sky fantasy mate. I reckon I could have been shagging Cheryl Cole had I met her.'"

Yes we will never know but equally you wouldn't be able to know that with a better coach we wouldn't have picked up more points.


A better coach would have made us more organised in defence, respect posession better not just offloading anywhere and I would imagine motivate and get the players to perform better.

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A decent coach wouldn't put up with all the arm waving, penalty begging, referee back chatting that this team has been doing for the last few season.

Somewhere on this board I read about how when Smith first arrived at Leeds (and Warrington I think) the first thing he did was teach players how to catch and carry the ball. With a few better carries on Friday we'd have scored more than 6 points. Without giving away silly penalties in the second half we wouldn't have conceded so many points. Yep we might not be winning more games but at least we'd be competing.

I can take a loss, but I can't take been blown away by teams that on paper aren't that far away from us. Wigan, Huddersfield, Saints and now Warrington. I'm not saying we should have beaten them, but we should have been closer to them than we were.

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Dropping Clarkson, Burgess and McShane was stupid, and so was putting Robbie Burrow on the bench. It was like he wanted us to lose the game, putting in form players out of the team and letting players who haven't hit any form at all have a go.

McDermott needs to go. If he wants to ruin a club that were challenging for trophies, he's going the right way about it!

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Agree the most stance decision that has been made wasthe leaving out of in form players

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Too right Brisbane! A good coach enables players to play to potential, uses their strengths and lessens the effect of their weaknesses by adopting a sensible gameplan - none of which happened on Friday and is the most noticeably missing feature from our recent games. Over recent weeks there is an air of casualness and lack of determination, particulary evident in a few players (eg BC and WH) which nullifies the efforts of the rest who don't know how to play with anything less than 100%. This is what was is so disappointing. The coach has to take responsibility for that and deal with it. I don't hold out any hope for Friday because I don't think McD even knows how to deal with it.

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Wasn't impressed with post match interview on friday from sky

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Quote: oldladyrhino " Over recent weeks there is an air of casualness and lack of determination, particulary evident in a few players (eg BC and WH)'"



How recent are you talking about? Ben Cross (assuming that's who BC refers to) hasn't played for over a month

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Quote: Gotcha "Pie in the sky fantasy mate. I reckon I could have been shagging Cheryl Cole had I met her.'"

In your humble opinion of course! eusa_naughty.gif
We would of been better defensively for a start with a more tactically aware coach and also had better discipline.
C'mon D when you think back to thoses matches a bit more structered defence with more composure and better discipline would of beaten the Pies and Saints at the very least.

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Quote: rhinoms "In your humble opinion of course!

It's called "Clutching at Straws" mate, that's what your doing and others.

We are talking about a group of players who have been playing together for a number of years now. A group of players who have won 4 championships, and played in numerous finals. We are not talking about a bunch of kids, or players new to the game. If these players do not know how to organise themselves in defence, when not to offload a ball, when to respect possession, and getting themselves motivated, then they have gone further backwards than even I think. A coach is not out on the park with them, and was not out on the park with them through McClennan, Smith, or Powells reign.

It is ironic how conveniently some have forgotten the contribution credited to McDermott during Smith's reign, and no doubt the very same posters calling for him now were the ones saying when he left and we had a dodgy spell how we missed him. What's changed? The players certainly put a lot down to him previously.

There is no doubt that questions need to be answered about our current coaching set up, let's be clear on that. But people are just in fantasy, if they seriously believe that our current playing set up would see us challenging for the trophy's again, regardless of coach.

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nobody said challanging for a trophy, people said we would do better.
if you think smith, brown, mcguire, lang or murray wouldn't improve us then i think you are badly wrong

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