It's also partly a criticism of their organisation skills. They should know what they're going to do when the receive the ball and this should have been communicated to the runners.

Sinfield is much better at this but then he is probably not as good at breaking the line himself.

Absolute B0llocks...

For about 5 minutes.

Then you're left with a 0% fit Danny Buderus.

If he's fully fit before the play offs great. If he's partially fit its not worth the risk - remember the selection of Keith Senior in the CC Final in 2005.

The problem is under Smith Burrow and McGuire were the runners it is no surprise now we don't have any runners as they are now the providers.

You have to let this obsession go ... its just not healthy.

Smith hasn't been coach since October 2007 ... nearly 2 years now ... nothing is actually his fault anymore ... the "new" guy has had plenty of time to change anything and everything he wanted.

So who were the providers under Smith?

Criticism of Leeds "greatest ever coach" is not tolerated by David.

Any negatives in the current side will be blamed squarely upon his previous nemesis.

If you ask any forward. The last thing they want is Burrow and McGuire running at them but as G1 said it is a coaching issue. Diskin will not let Leeds down. He never has but he is not suited to coming off the bench part way through games. Not sure when fit that Buderus even needs a reserve hooker. Likewise Diskin can play the full 80.

Gareth this is simply not the case - in the thread on the discussion on the game I critisised McClennan's decision to replace Buderus and his decision not to play Worrall

From somebody who finds it very easy to overlook any of Smith's failings it is pretty rich to critisise me for my continued support of McClennan.

An example: you felt McClennan was wrong not to play Worrall - me also -but when challenged on Smith selecting Senior for the CC final - not a response - blinded would an apt term for your view on Smith.

It hurts you that McClennan might actually eclipse your "Greatest ever Coach"

What I am saying is this McGuire was a great support player and his try scoring record shows that - now he is playing a more creative role we don't have the support - look at the first try against Wigan - if Burrow & McGuire had not been supporting Burderus would have nobody to pass to we is what happens to Burrow and McGuire when they make a break.

In Smith's day Sinfield played a more creative role - the game has moved on and Sinfield is no longer quick enough to play that role - he bombed two definite chances on Friday through his indecision

As I said completely blinded - as a lawyer you are obviously used to defending the indefensible. Bold - stupid would be a more apt description of the decision - Leeds played the biggest game of the year with 16 men which ultimately cost them the opportunity of winning a trophy.

McClennan made a decision with regards Worrall - he decided it was appropriate in his view to not play him - wrongly in my view.

The difference is the team has a chance to recover and still win the GF - against Hull the decision left the team with no where to go - end of.

We must agree to differ on your retoric regarding McClennan and his achievements.

I'd have said he did make a decision. His decision was to go with what was out there rather than put Worral on.

On the earlier subject of 'runners' though, have I missed the point? I'd assumed you were referring to dummy runners or forwards taking a drive and couldn't work out why David was seeing McGuire & Burrow in that role.

I don't see creator and supporter as mutually exclusive either.

But you cannot do both at the same time - if McGuire is now spending more time creating he has less time to support.

You think the CC final was a bigger game than the GF? They played both with 17 men. In the CC final (as with many games) a player got injured.

In every game players will carry knocks. In most games no player will be 100% free. If a player is crucial and a game breaker the coach is likely to take more risks. Like Mclennan did on Friday with Sinfield who was, by all accounts, badly missed from the week before.

That is very different and not comparable with choosing to play a game with 16 men.

I take it that is an error and you meant to type "decided not to play him"?

Nonsense. The team had as much a chance (if not more) of winning the CC final in 2005 as they do winning this year's GF considering they were already in that years CC Final and haven't yet qualified for this year's GF. That we almost did (and perhaps should have) won in 2005 means that your assertion that the team "had nowhere to go" because of Senior's selection is, frankly, silly and you should let it go.

Where do we disagree? I have told you several times I desperately hope McLenann eclipses Smith's achievements at Leeds. Why would I not want him to do that? Bizarre.

Do you think I am the kind of saddoe that would hope the team I support doesn't do well just because I have a personal dislike for a coach or player. What kind of unbalanced saddoe would approach life like that?