That isn't what the man said is it? His basic point is that there is no excuse for a lack of structure in defence and attack. He is quite right about that and the fact that Leeds have displayed a complete lack of set pattern play this season (arguably under McD full stop).

The injuries are a bona fide excuse for losing some games but, at this level, no way can they be used to justify a complete lack of organisation.

Castleford beat Salford with at least 10 players out including both half backs and their captain. If it wasn't for the points deduction Salford would be well above Huddersfield so Cas beat a better side with as many injured players as Leeds!!

I think its you that needs to get in real world.

I'm talking about 10 players who would have actually played. Hardaker, Briscoe, Moon, Hall, McGuire, Falloon, Cuthbertson, Ablett, Ward, Delaney.

And we only lost by 8. Again, get in the real world.

So you'll happily make a case for moving players on but defend the Coach in every argument??
Also re-Sinny/JP didn't you say Mc overstated their influence & that it showed good man management despite the Coach saying differently?
How many rookies have we actually bloodied this year btw?
As for injuries not effecting performances it will to a certain extent but lets get this clear the team available should be playing better & at the very least be better organised/motivated & a much better structure especially defensively than has been shown.
Also don't overlook selecting injured players or not utilising the full 17 that is clearly a problem when we are fatigued & spending plenty of time defending on the back foot.
Lets not forget either you'll happily label Watkins lazy etc but again not a bad word against the Bloke who picks Delaney on 1 leg or waits till someone can hardly walk before making a sub?
You claim to be looking at the bigger picture but change it to suit yer unwavering love for the Coach.
All things considered this Team/Club should not be bottom of the SL out of the CC & still below an average Salford team docked 6pts that's not good enough.
Thats not expecting to win every game or Trophy thats the facts as they stand & funalky whilst yer no doubt gonna slate individuals rather than the precious Coach ask yourself WHY aren't they responding to him or his "structures" or game plans? Indeed why are we still conceding tries in the same areas of the pitch irrespective of the opponents?

Hall has been out of form for a long time in fact Handley has been an improvement Falloon has been woeful Ward hasn't played since August & when was the last time Delaney was fit & actually completed a game?
Yer overstating it lad you get in the real world key players are injured in a lot of teams.

Overstating it? 8 of the 10 injured players I named all played in the Grand Final. Plus Ward who would have started the GF but for injury, plus Falloon who is our only recognised hooker.

8 grand final winners missing, but I'm overstating it? Join the real world any time you like, Son.

Absolutely you are - you are suggesting every injured player would be an improvement and would actually get selected.

That is simply not the case. Is Falloon actually injured or not deemed good enough by the coach? As has been stated one winger yes but not both neither were playing as well as Handley is now. If Ward and Ablett are fit Delaney doesn't play.

So yes you are overstating the impact of injuries - the next time Leeds have a prop playing stand off as Cas had on Saturday then you can say have had it worse than other sides - that is real world son!!

Ward didnt play in the GF though simple as ,Burrow is our recognised 9 either on his own or when P/T another is selected .
Again yer overlooking form Handley is easily the form winger so that offsets the loss of Hall ,Delaney is rarely fit so again its something the team/squad are used to.
Real world? Yer in cloud cuckoo land if you believe its all down to injuries

Squad for Thursday:

1. Zak Hardaker
3. Kallum Watkins
6. Danny McGuire
7. Rob Burrow
8. Keith Galloway
10. Adam Cuthbertson
11. Jamie Jones-Buchanan
14. Liam Sutcliffe
16. Brad Singleton
17. Mitch Garbutt
18. Jimmy Keinhorst
19. Mitch Achurch
20. Anthony Mullally
21. Josh Walters
22. Ash Handley
23. Ashton Golding
25. Jordan Lilley
26. Brett Ferres
29. Luke Briscoe

What will this be, 4th time lucky for McGuire if he actually plays?

Looks that way. Not really sure what Baldwinson has to do to get a game. Achurch keeps his place.

Having McGuire back should be a huge boost to the team - let's hope he is f

I certainly will against your arguments which are the same ones and the same conclusions your have used for the last 4/5 years. When anything goes wrong you only have one solution ie

No I said that you overstated their influence. Again you make 2 + 2 How many rookies have we actually bloodied this year btw?'"

I think some Mcdermott defenders on here are confusing people wanting change and probably feeling that the club could do with change long term, with this being knee jerk spoilt fan reaction.

Only speaking for myself now but i just feel that now would be a good time to put a new regime in place for 2017 and beyond.Mac has had a real roller coaster 6 years in charge in which nobody can deny he has done a fine job overall, won everything and i thank him for a job well done.But it just feels like the end of the road is coming for him anyway to me, i get the give him time to sort it, he has earned it view, but i just don't see him getting a tune out of this squad for the next 2/3 more years, so what is the point in lurching into next year and then pulling the trigger mid way through 2017 with crowds on the slide and everything else that comes with a decline? it could set us back years. We will see, it is just my view no hysterical 'Just Sack Mac' campaign