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Quote: sgtwilko "I would have a couple of captains next season at Leeds! Ward being one with him taking the role full time in a few seasons (captains would be Mags, Ward, Burrow with club captain JJB)'"



Hardaker will be captain, and you could see it in everything on the pitch Friday night.

Keinhorst is never in a million years a solid starter. The lad works hard, has great hands, and I am sure will put his body on the line, but he is far too lightweight. Nearly bombed two tries Friday also. Can't see him in seventeen when all fit.

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McGuire will be captain next year, who takes over from him when he's missing will probably tell us who gets it long term.

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While McGuire probably will be captain for 2016, he wouldn't be my choice.

Leeds need to identify another long-term leader for the next five years or so, rather than just have a one-year stop gap.

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Quote: Gotcha "Hardaker will be captain, and you could see it in everything on the pitch Friday night.

Keinhorst is never in a million years a solid starter. The lad works hard, has great hands, and I am sure will put his body on the line, but he is far too lightweight. Nearly bombed two tries Friday also. Can't see him in seventeen when all fit.'"



Nearly everything you say above is incorrect.
1) McGuire will be captain
2) Keinhorst is a solid starter (and was before Ward got injured).
3) Keinhorst is lightweight? He is near enough the same build as Ward!!

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Quote: Stevosfalseteeth "Nearly everything you say above is incorrect.
1) McGuire will be captain
2) Keinhorst is a solid starter (and was before Ward got injured).
3) Keinhorst is lightweight? He is near enough the same build as Ward!!'"



In your opinion of course. Which I am happy to disagree with, and comfortable enough with my own.

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Quote: Gotcha "In your opinion of course. Which I am happy to disagree with, and comfortable enough with my own.'"


Some things of course can only be subjective opinion...BUT whether Keinhorst IS no more 'lightweight' than Steve Ward is surely not? One way or the other there must actually be an objective fact in this case?

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Quote: Andy Gilder "While McGuire probably will be captain for 2016, he wouldn't be my choice.

Leeds need to identify another long-term leader for the next five years or so, rather than just have a one-year stop gap.'"


I agree...as much as I like most think McGuire is very much in the present team on merit and his experience is invaluable, I don't perceive him to be captain material. He loses his cool too easily. Finding somebody to succeed probably the best captain the club has ever had (certainly in my lifetime's viewing; better even than the indomitable David Ward) is not going to be an easy task.

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Ward's just 3lbs heavier according to the Leeds website - both 6'1". I don't think Keinhorst dominates the collision quite like Ward has this year, but what he does do well IMO is find his front and get a relatively quick ptb.

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Keinhorst runs a lovely line. He could easily bulk up.

Gotcha stated position on Keinhorst was that he was "pet project" and wouldn't ever make a SL player. He has to justify that opinion which is increasingly looking wide of the mark. However, he's right about the size issue, whatever the web site says. But Ward has bulked up significantly this off season so no reason Keinhorst can't.

Personaly, I think he has the makings of a capable centre and seems to understands the nuances of the position a little better than the exciting if erratic Moon.

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Quote: G1 "Keinhorst runs a lovely line. He could easily bulk up.'"


IIRC 2014 was his first year as a "proper" full-time player, having completed his degree studies. With the right programme over the off-season there's no reason he can't add say 5kgs without losing his mobility like Walters has done.

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Quote: Loyal Leeds Fan "Ward's just 3lbs heavier according to the Leeds website - both 6'1". I don't think Keinhorst dominates the collision quite like Ward has this year, but what he does do well IMO is find his front and get a relatively quick ptb.'"



That's out of date on the Leeds website. However, it isn't purely about weight. I bet you in the gym, Wards weights are significantly higher, which is that strength he shows in the collision. Keinhorst doesn't break tackles, hence the lightweight. He does however run good lines, which is what G1 said.

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I wonder if Keinhorst would be a good option for 13? He runs great lines, has great vision and a good pass and as a lot of posters are sayign at the minute he is a bit light weight, at 13 he may need to stay agile and keep running good lines. I know when he played for GB Students he played 6 or 7 and won single handedly most games for them including the world cup final at 6. I personally think it may be a good option.

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No need for Keinhorst to bulk up just yet. He may well end up in the back row but for now he provides much needed centre cover for us and will get other utilty opportunities because of his skill set which could include half back and hooker cover.

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Quote: Gotcha "That's out of date on the Leeds website. However, it isn't purely about weight. I bet you in the gym, Wards weights are significantly higher, which is that strength he shows in the collision. Keinhorst doesn't break tackles, hence the lightweight. He does however run good lines, which is what G1 said.'"


Lifts that predominantly utilise lower body strength I'd tend to agree. I'm assuming the stats were up-to-date as of pre-season, not sure how you'd know otherwise.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "IIRC 2014 was his first year as a "proper" full-time player, having completed his degree studies. With the right programme over the off-season there's no reason he can't add say 5kgs without losing his mobility like Walters has done.'"


I don't think he absolutely needs to bulk up, because he's more valuable to the club as centre cover than second row, where if fit Ward, Ablett and Delaney will between them be 11 and 12, with Singleton, Cuthbertson, Delaney and JJB being the options for a "big" 13 and Sutcliffe being the option of we're going for a ball-playing loose (especially if Brierley joins)

Keinhorst will be very useful to have around with the new interchanges, where I'd imagine the ideal bench make-up will be two middle forwards, a hooker and a utility who can fill in for the backline with minimum disruption in the event of injury or alternatively spell a bit of second row. Keinhorst could be perfect for that.

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