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Quote: Old Feller "One of the issues for the club that may come back to bite them is that they set high store on a person's character.
So if for reasons of expediency they decide to keep Hardaker & to select him to play, which they are entitled to do unless he's remanded in custody, what messages does that send out to the rest of the players?
It is really difficult to adopt & maintain the high moral ground in these cases.
Another reason why GH & McDermott may feel particularly let down.'"


At a guess, GH will have dealt with about 50 of these stupid incidents. It's part of his job, and IMO he probably has a right laugh about some of the dumb stuff his idiot players come up with.

In front of the TV cameras GH will treat this as a very serious incident and will be gravely concerned. When speaking to Zak he'll probably give him a similar serious speech. In truth though I doubt he is the slightest bit concerned or bothered about it. His main concern will be getting the clubs lawyers to get Zak the slightest tap on the wrist he can get.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "Nobody expects sports stars to behave like Cistercian monks.

What they do expect though is that they are held to the same standard of behaviour as the fans in the stands would be by their employers.

If I smacked someone and ended up with my face (and my employer's details) plastered all over the local media as someone suspected of assault, I'm pretty sure my employer would be taking disciplinary action. Particularly if it wasn't the first time my conduct had reflected badly on them in public.'"

I suspect you forget to mention the allegedly and innocent until proved guilty out of your posting.

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Both players released without charge by the police, the club to continue its own internal disciplinary whitewash... I mean "investigation"

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Quote: Andy Gilder "Both players released without charge by the police, the club to continue its own internal disciplinary whitewash... I mean "investigation"'"


They've been released without charge *and* the police investigation has been concluded. It's not whitewash if there's nothing there to paint. Move on.

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Good news that the police have dealt with this speedily.
The club must investigate it properly, following their own internal disciplinary procedures.
This I expect them to do.
So it should not be a whitewash nor need they announce their findings to the world at large.
Hopefully, we can all move on from this & Hardaker will be available for selection this week, if his head is in the right place.
Despite Wigan's apparent poor form we need to have our best 17 available.

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Good news.

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He was right in the end:



Quote: Old Feller "
Hopefully, we can all move on from this & Hardaker will be available for selection this week'"

Till his next offence

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Excellent news but you do have to wonder how many more lessons he's going to need.

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Quote: SouthStander.com "Excellent news but you do have to wonder how many more lessons he's going to need.'"


That is the concern.

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Quote: Old Feller "
Quote: Old Feller "Excellent news but you do have to wonder how many more lessons he's going to need.'"


That is the concern.'"


I think that's slightly unfair - there are no charges from the Police and no evidence of him actually having done anything wrong.

His list of 'indiscretions' are hardly major events - infact, I'd say the majority of young blokes say and do a lot worse and commit more 'offences' in 1 night on the grog than Zak has during his time at Leeds.

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So far his offences in total are falling foul of (along with ultra-professional James Graham) McNamara's unnecessary ego games and missing curfew; Being caught on camera shouting an offensive word during a game that dozens of players have said before; Being a young single man in a halls of residence after hours well away from game day. None of this is perfect, but none of it is extraordinary either.

Add to that his physical disciplinary record on the field is pretty much perfect. This is hardly Gareth Hock. Not sure how much of Sam's bad name is deserved, though it certainly suits fans of other clubs to destabilize him and Leeds to the extent he'll be pushed out. Disappointing that some of our own fans are helping with that work.

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ZAK IS BACK: Part 2. THIS TIME ITS PERSONAL

Or is it part 3? 4?...

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Quote: craigizzard "So far his offences in total are falling foul of (along with ultra-professional James Graham) McNamara's unnecessary ego games and missing curfew; Being caught on camera shouting an offensive word during a game that dozens of players have said before; Being a young single man in a halls of residence after hours well away from game day. None of this is perfect, but none of it is extraordinary either.

Add to that his physical disciplinary record on the field is pretty much perfect. This is hardly Gareth Hock. Not sure how much of Sam's bad name is deserved, though it certainly suits fans of other clubs to destabilize him and Leeds to the extent he'll be pushed out. Disappointing that some of our own fans are helping with that work.'"


Should have read Zak not Sam (autocorrect), though non-Wigan fans were very keen to blow anything Sam T did out of proportion for probably exactly the same reasons.

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Quote: craigizzard "Add to that his physical disciplinary record on the field is pretty much perfect. This is hardly Gareth Hock. '"


No. More Lee Smith, I'd have said. Hence the concern.

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Quote: craigizzard "So far his offences in total are falling foul of (along with ultra-professional James Graham) McNamara's unnecessary ego games and missing curfew; Being caught on camera shouting an offensive word during a game that dozens of players have said before; Being a young single man in a halls of residence after hours well away from game day. None of this is perfect, but none of it is extraordinary either.

Add to that his physical disciplinary record on the field is pretty much perfect. This is hardly Gareth Hock. Not sure how much of Sam's bad name is deserved, though it certainly suits fans of other clubs to destabilize him and Leeds to the extent he'll be pushed out. Disappointing that some of our own fans are helping with that work.'"


You forgot that he blew a kiss at another player and even though his head turned away from camera shot some managed to lip read the word "puff".

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