In the game against Warrington at start of last season, which Briscoe produced a wow of a try, Hardaker produced a pass that exceeded anything you see from any decent half back. To say he has "no" passing game is just complete rubbish. To say he has no kicking game is equally nonsense.

What he does have above many half backs is an excellent running game, attacking the line. With a controlling scrum half around him, it would work to a tee. Lilley is exactly the sort of foil who would work with a player like Hardaker.

So on one pass you think he will make a half back? He hasn't demonstrated any kicking game in all the time he has been at Leeds. He was hopeless as a centre because he had no instinct to pass and got caught ball in hand more often than not.

On the running I agree with you but there is a difference between hitting the line as a full back than as a half back.

I've heard a few people touting Hardaker as a stand off and I must admit that I just don't see it. At the moment the weakest part of his game is his link up play into the line, and still doesn't pass very well at all. Apart from the try assist for Briscoe against Warrington last season are there any other examples of his ability to pass the ball accuratly on a consistant basis? Everything about Hardaker to me indicates he's a natural, out and out full back.

He's too good a fullback to suppose he'd be as good, or better, as a standoff. He'd need to be a true great of the game to perform both roles equally well and, good as he is, I wouldn't say he's quite up to that standard.

I have some doubts about whether he'd make it in the halves but I'd like to see it tried first before writing it off. In the future a few games with Golding at FB and Hardaker at halfback.

What about the possibility that Ashton Golding is being looked at to be moved to the Halves?

Worth a look IMO. from what I've seen of him his defensive play at full back is shocking at the moment.

Or Jordan Lilley into the halves? www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/s ... -1-7017886

Or Jordan Lilley into the halves? www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/s ... -1-7017886

No I am not basing it on one pass, I simply gave an example of it is a nonsense to say he can't pass.

Do not forget the role he is playing. How many passes does Bowan, Lomax, Wellens, or Ratchford when at fullback make? yet all of them can also play in the halfs. To judge him on his current role as can not pass is just ridiculous.

The difference with Lomax and Ratchford of course being that they are half-backs who converted to full-back. Both have played a significant amount of first grade rugby in the halves.

Both could quite easily slot back into the halves tomorrow, with no noticeable drop in effectiveness. Hardaker - IMO and based on what I've seen of him in his career to date - could not make the move anything like as easily.

No, the difference is that Hardaker is better in every facet of an half than Ratchford is. Yet the argument here is that he couldn't play it, but Rachford could.

And the point made was that these other players at fullback, showed no more of a passing game that Hardaker does in the same role. He is been judged on that role.

Bowen has never played half back to any degree so that defeats your argument, Saints thought Lomax was so good at half back they moved him to FB, Wellens plays half when Saints have no other option and Ratchford was a half back that had to be moved to accommodate Myler a bit like Burrow when Captain fantastic decided playing in the forwards was a bit too tough for him.

Hardaker got moved to FB to cover Webb's injury but primarily because he couldn't pass at centre so he is not being judged on his current role - what makes you think his passing has improved so much to make a half I will never know.

It's ridiculous for anyone to seriously believe he was moved from centre because he couldn't pass. He was moved as he had far more to his game, as proven by his standing in the game since taking that position. Again, he has more to offer again, long term.

If Webb hadn't have got injured Hardaker would not have ended up at FB to suggest otherwise is factually incorrect. If Webb hadn't have got injured it is very unlikely Hardaker would have remained in the centres it simply wasn't working - he had an inability to throw a pass that gave his winger any space to work. He has a great running game but he hasn't shown a passing or kicking game to warrant any suggestion he could make it as a half in a top team

And by your logic, had we not seen him at fullback we would not have now had the best fullback in the competition. What does that tell you about writing them off in other positions before it happens?