I have no problem with Briscoe who I rate very highly. It is just that I am worlds apart from 'Worlds Apart. and am putting BJB's case who has done OK and just deserved his spot on form for the last match IMO. I think we should use him while we have him but only based on form. If one of the other back three needs a rest or their form drops Bish should come in.

19 man squad named as:

1 Zak Hardaker
2 Ben Jones-Bishop
3 Kallum Watkins
4 Joel Moon
5 Ryan Hall
6 Danny McGuire
8 Kylie Leuluai
12 Carl Ablett
13 Kevin Sinfield (c)
14 Stevie Ward
15 Brett Delaney
16 Ryan Bailey
17 Ian Kirke
18 Chris Clarkson
19 Mitch Achurch
20 Tom Briscoe
21 Liam Sutcliffe
23 Brad Singleton
29 Robbie Ward

Peacock got a leg injury apparently

From that I'd go with:

1. Hardaker
2. Briscoe
3. Watkins
4. Moon
5. Hall
6. Sinfield
7. McGuire
8. Leuluai
9. Ward, R
10. Singleton
11. Ablett
12. Delaney
13. Ward

14. Sutcliffe
15. Achurch
16. Bailey
17. Kirke

Would go with what Him put, but really think the club are making a mistake this week and should have introduced at least one other youngster. Mulhern for Kirke would not have damaged us in anyway and been a risk.

Why should they? The club will pick players they believe are ready for the step up, let's not rush them into the first team just for the sake of it.

You have to remember it can have a negative impact on the player too. (See George Elliot)

Also Kirke tends to start for JP when JP is injured. For all that people complain, when he gets decent minutes he's not a bad prop (see Wigan Cup semi 2012, Catalans away playoff 2012 etc).

Would go with:

1. Hardaker
20. Briscoe
3. Watkins
4. Moon
5. Hall
21. Sutcliffe
6. McGuire
8. Leuluai
13. Sinfield
17. Kirke
19. Achurch
12. Ablett
15. Delaney

14. Ward S
16. Bailey
23. Singleton
28. Ward R

You could play your cheerleaders and still beat us

Honestly, Juan. The problem with being so dogmatic on the stats (or more precisely the stats available to you) is that not all tries, yards or errors are equal. For that you have to use observation and judgement. Is a walk-in try the same as a supremely skilful one? It is for Opta. Is failing to take an impossible pass the same as knocking on under no pressure? It is for Opta. Is taking a kickoff return 15 yards three times as good as driving the opposition back 5 yards through a three-man tackle? It is for Opta.

Add to that the stats they *don't* publish (How many seconds between contact and play-the-ball would be a relevent one when discussing Briscoe) and you really do only have a partial comparision between players.

I like BJB, I'm glad he's in the squad and don't think he should be frozen out because he's leaving at the end of the season. But Briscoe is better than him, a judgement made with eyes and sense not numbers. Barring injury he should be playing every week.

Why would they? How about because the side has looked tired for last two games? How about player development and integration? Most importantly how about, Kirke offers nothing, was shocking last week, and we have a player in his position pushing for another game.

I understand how some posters are immune to putting younger players in, but at least put up a valid argument not to do it. It's not like making wholesale changes and putting very young kids in is being suggested.

That's what Saints & Wigan were saying before beating us as well.

singleton did last 6 mins and 1st 6mins total 12 mins
kirke did 25 mins all 2nd half
bailey had most time i think.just watched game again , and what a game !

Unfortunately you are correct,when I saw some of the pre match comments on the Wigan board about how many points we would put on them. I feared the worst, as per the saints game.

R. Ward to come in on the bench and bish and kirke to miss out.

I'd start singleton, his best games have come when starting this season. Last weeks stats may show that kirke and Singo had poor games, but for me Singo offers more, yes kirke is solid in d but with JP out we need players that show a willingness to cart the ball up, time and time again, something Singo does and kirke doesn't.

Not immune, some of us just have more patience.

Robbie Ward looks like he'll be playing and for all of Hull's woes, one of their strongest areas is Houghton at hooker opposite a lad making his debut. Perhaps then with our star prop missing it might be an idea to surround Ward with as much experience as possible in the middle of the park.

I've been agreeing with you a lot lately.... Must be getting too much sun.

I totally agree that the last few weeks have taken a bit of oomph out of our pack, and the effects of a very intense battle last week are still to be seen.

I'm not so worried who gets the break, and indeed might be tempted to give Ward somebody like Peacock for company, who I would definitely give a rest to against Leigh if he doesn't need it before. But some freshness and energy wouldn't go amiss. Not seen much of Mulhern, but I hear only good things, so why not give him 15 or 20 minutes off the bench in the 2nd half at least?

Hookers do not directly oppose one another not even in the scrums these days. Ian Kirke is very experience. But Mulhern must be able to ffer more than 2 or three carries.

Gotcha is right.,