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| Quote: JerryChicken "There is still only one set of stats which break down the stoppage times and explains how the measurements were made and that is the one that I linked to.'"
No there isnt one set of stats.  |
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| Quote: DoubleAone "
Yes the ball is still live at the Union breakdown ruck or maul, but so is the ball still live at the League PTB.
It must be "live" because the ref can penalise any infractions either by the attack or defence. ![]()
It isn't live because the teams cannot compete for the ball. The referee is penalising the teams for interference, which can be penalised whether the ball is in play or not.
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| Quote: DoubleAone "No there isnt one set of stats. ![]()
You're not reading again - break those occurrences down into their own time components like the stats I gave you do.
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| Quote: finglas "It isn't live because the teams cannot compete for the ball. The referee is penalising the teams for interference, which can be penalised whether the ball is in play or not.'"
Quote: finglas "You're not reading again - break those occurrences down into their own time components like the stats I gave you do.'"
You're not reading again. 
Of course the ball is live at the PTB.
If the attacker drops the ball its a knock on. If the defender steals the ball its a penalty.  |
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| Seems our so-called "parochial" game is offically recognised as one of the 5 top sports in the country. ![]()
If the ball is stolen /interfered with in RU it is also a penalty. I've seen this happen at a scrum, at a lineout at a penalty, therefore I again suggest that you are taking two different criteria to judge the two games. |
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| Quote: DoubleAone "The difference is its very very technical and therefore beyond our parochial minds ![]()
I look forward to your timed breakdown of those components in the link that you quoted from but just to save yourself the trouble don't bother looking because they don't exist, I looked at them initially but dismissed them for that very reason.
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| Quote: JerryChicken "I look forward to your timed breakdown of those components in the link that you quoted from but just to save yourself the trouble don't bother looking because they don't exist, I looked at them initially but dismissed them for that very reason.'"
I wouldnt hold your breath. 
I just happen to "prefer" to watch a faster more dynamic and skillfull version of the handling code thats all.
I dont mind the game of RU at all if there is nothing better to watch that is. Prefer it to Soccer or Cricket. |
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| Quote: lionarmour87 "That dirty foul on Alun Rees ruined his Leeds career.I don't think it was his first game though,he was showing real promise up that two fisted smash by Holden of Oldham.He only played 36 games.sorry to go off track'"
Yes you are right it wasn't his first game and he did look a quality player with one of the best side steps I have seen. He was victim to the thuggery that most RU stars had to put up with from average League players who were jealous of the signing on fees and were too dim to realise that these stars could help to bring them some of the benefits of success.
PS: Rees also played professional cricket for Glamorgan for more than 10 years and was an excellent fielder. He came on as a sub fielder at Headingley in a Test against Australia and caught a good catch off Fred Trueman. |
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| Quote: DoubleAone "
You might find Union more competitive, but I just see mostly brute force which, has always, will appeal to the more simple minded. ![]()
One of the main differences between the codes is that Union has retained competition for the ball and League has not. Quite how you equate this with brute force I do not understand. Ken Dalby must have taken you for Maths and not rugby. You say you played both games but your cheap short "simple minded" remark would suggest otherwise!
I enjoy the competition for possession in Union despite the difficulties it now has refereeing it at a professional level. I recall when League had contested scrums and PTBs (well sort of) and I have some regrets that we have lost that.
The two codes have the same basic skills yet are strategically and technically quite different games. I prefer League but that is not to state it is better. Since the era of summer rugby we can all enjoy and be frustrated by both so why prolong the war?
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| Quote: Juan Cornetto "One of the main differences between the codes is that Union has retained competition for the ball and League has not. Quite how you equate this with brute force I do not understand. Ken Dalby must have taken you for Maths and not rugby. You say you played both games but your cheap short "simple minded" remark would suggest otherwise!
I enjoy the competition for possession in Union despite the difficulties it now has refereeing it at a professional level. I recall when League had contested scrums and PTBs (well sort of) and I have some regrets that we have lost that.
The two codes have the same basic skills yet are strategically and technically quite different games. I prefer League but that is not to state it is better. Since the era of summer rugby we can all enjoy and be frustrated by both so why prolong the war?'"
Lighten up folks...  it was a tonque in cheek quipe... hence the smilie.
apologies if it caused any offence. 
Your right, RL and more so SL, have mostly removed competing directly for the ball but it is retained to some degree albeit indirectly by applying pressure and poor position to the opposition. Forcing the error now being the prescribed method and the very occasional ball steal one on one.
Yes the basic skills are similar and I agree RU is more of a strategic game played up and down the touch lines generally but for me its too pedestrian for large periods. That's just my personal view by the way.
I did like the Old Leo`s approach when on tour, according to my brother a life long member, they would instigate a NO KICKING rule....
Ken Dalby was our Maths teacher but he used to excuse us lessons if we were training.
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Oscar winner Colin Welland sums it up. He's at England v Oz semifinal 1991. Rob Andrew kicks a last minute drop goal and England win. Another in the Royal Box say " wouldn't you just love Rob Andrew in Rugby League, "
Colin..."and what the f%$k would we do with him for other 79 minutes"
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| Quote: DoubleAone "Lighten up folks... ![]()
Ken Dalby (KD) taught me Maths too (or was it 2?) and also coached the school Union team and took the matches on a Saturday morning. After the Saturday morning matches several of us would grap some lunch and head for Headingley to watch our heros at Leeds RL. (it was Saturday fixtures in those days)
Ironic really, but I learnt my RL on Becketts Park while at Headingley CP from a Scottish teacher who was brought up on Union. (he later taught/coached a young Schofield in south Leeds) and at secondary school learnt Union from KD who was a former Leeds RL manager, noted club historian and life long fan. Perhaps explains my love of both codes but preference for League.
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| Quote: Juan Cornetto "
I think it was the head teacher Mr Mathews who mostly soured my view of the Union Game, He banned us playing League and so we played Union against mostly Grammer Schools. Huddersfield Grammer Pudsey Grammer and the like.
Mr Dalby introduced us to Rugby League and we played Union for the school Saturday mornings. RL U17s Saturday afternoons and later RL open age on Sunday mornings.
I have always preferred RL but comparing it to Union is a bit like Apples and Oranges really.
Ken Dalby told us there were only 2 things that were the same in each code. The posts and the grass. 
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