Irrelevant unless you can say how many times Hardaker fed Hall.
I don't recall it was very often, Hardaker had a tendency to forget the winger and go himself, plus Hall was very often being tightly marked anyway.
Few people thought Hardaker was a centre and he played wing for Featherstone on the few times I watched him in the Championship, so that's understandable.

With Moon he loves receiving the ball in space (which strong running centre wouldn't?!) but, for me, he never really makes the most of that space. He runs arms open, like he might do some damage but he never looks quite assure of what's 'on' in terms of pass/take on the man. I can see why some have mentioned the 'panic pass' of his. Needs working on. BJB would probably make more out of these balls as his much quicker pace would get him in a tighter space quicker, compared to Hall when that limited window of opporunity may close.

It's very relevant. He might have gone himself, but he also scored plenty tries. The measurement should be on the return from the partnership, not the return on one player.

How many tries did Hall/Hardaker or Hall/Moon score in releation to Hall/Ablett? If the return is similar then the job is done correctly, regardless of what number Hall has.

Leaving aside the gibberish nature of that sentence; the whole discussion has been about Moon's quality of service to Hall. Do you think we can discuss that topic without discussing Hall?

So, essentially, you've finally agreed with what I said. Moon is a good, dangerous player who hasn't utilized Hall as well as previous left centres at leeds have?

Glad you got there in the end even if it was hard work.

No I have said, it is side before individual every time. I don't have the child like hero worship at games that you display. Every player is equal dependent on performance, rather than pre decided agendas.

Hall has failed to take advantage numerous times of Moon's class. Moon on other occassions has scored rather than pass to his winger. Hall on other occassions has scored tries others wouldn't. The bottom line IMO is clear, that it is only relevant when that partnership is failing in terms of tries scored or tries conceeded.

I don't believe, and am waiting to be corrected, that the partnership of Hall and Moon, which you were the one critisizing, or indeed the partnership of Hall and Hardaker, which you again were the one critisizing, have scored any less tries or conceeded any more tries, than the one you hail in Hall and Ablett. Furthermore I am still waiting to hear how many tries Keinhorst has laid on for Hall, which you quick to point out had happened earlier.

Forget the stats on how many did X put away for Y etc.

The burning statistic we all need clarifying is:

How much coffee does Gotcha drink?

Don't drink coffee, just tea and water. I am an addonis

Decided to look at the stats myself, as Gareth really never backs up his claims.

The Hall and Moon partnership is now just five tries short of the Hall and Senior Partnership of 2010. Moon has the same number of try assists as Senior that year, and the season isn't over yet.

One stat I wasn't aware of previous, but explains a lot of these missed try opportunities that I was alluding to. Hall has constantly been in the top two of Leeds error makers per season, since coming into the side. Gives some reasoning, to some of the "alledged" Moon "panic" passes bouncing out of Halls hands.

Furthermore, looked back on every game Keinhorst has played for us, and as suspected, unless the reports are inaccurate, or indeed the videos on some of the matches, he hasn't actually laid on one single try for Hall. Ironically though, Hall has laid on three for Keinhorst.

One thing that has been over-looked re-Moon/Hall partnership is the quality and speed of supply we've sent their way.
Imo far too often our passing outwide whether Left or Right has been slow or forced the reciever to check their runs which gives the defence time to number up out wide.
I think we potentially have as good a back line as any team in this league but they need some decent supply.

It's interesting with all this bagging of Joel Moon going on at the mo, Just how many times he has been in the team of the month in the league papers. As it stands I think he's nailed on for a spot in the dream team come end of season, and it's deserved IMO.

Some people on here get far too concerned with how many passes, assists, metres certain players individually make.

FFS it's a team game that enjoys moments of individual skill/class we've had that this season just enjoy it!!!!!!!!!

Spot on - we criminally underuse our outside backs on both sides of the park.

Watkins has shown time after time what he can do if you give him the ball in a bit of space. I can never understand why we don't shift the ball to him early, get him coming from deep so that he's got some room to manouvre - 1 on 1 most centres in Superleague are really going to struggle to contain him.

Agree with this. Also consider how many of Hall's tries over the past few seasons have involved Brent Webb throwing quick or cut-out passes creating time and space. Hardaker is a massive talent at fullback but that is not yet part of his armoury.

I fully agree with you and you beat me to the same point.

In his heyday Webb joined the line at pace, usually on his favoured left hand side, really as a 2nd standoff and created space for Senior and his winger. Sometime he drew the centre and Senior could burst through the gap and feed Hall or sometimes Webb would as you say throw the cut out pass to the winger. After his serious back injury Webb seemed unable to twist his body as he passed which perhaps was the reason he made so many forward passes in his latter years. Unless of course they were just not spotted before!

Moon is a class centre IMO and of course will make handling errors as he is prepared to take a risk. However Hall has not had his best season and for quite a number of games lacked sharpness and was as much to blame as Moon for chances missed.

Agree with the comment regarding hall missing Webb , i think the whole team is missing the Brent Webb of old, his runs into the line and passing opened up many a defence.
This year I don't think the service to hall has been as good as recent seasons. As I never tire of saying the balance of the team does not seem right at the moment.

Agreed. Dropping two teams from SL and reducing the playoffs to top 6 would hopefully increase the quality of SL.