I have been a season ticket holder for several years. Our home displays under McDermott have troubled me and I have complained about them. It annoys me when we lose 9though not as much as it used to) and I enjoy it when we win. I think I'd probably prefer in order
1. A decent game with a Leeds win
2. A decent game
3. A Leeds win

However none of that has devalued either championship won. Like I said, I found 2011 (from fifth) very satisfying.

That said, I started watching Leeds regularly in the 1980s so these last two fifth place finishes have some perspective for me.

Sounds a bit risky to me. Planning to peak for one match in the season. So Leeds weren't at their peak in the Challenge Cup final then? That was just a warm up for the Playoffs?

Just on a side issue do you think Sir Kev is planning to peak for the GF or the World Cup? Hope he doesn't get it wrong. Too much peaking in one season could play havoc with your plans.

The golden boot winner and world's best player peaks when he wants.

Finally I think we agree!!! I remember watching Wigan in the second division and you certainly appreciate the good times!

Of course winning from fifth is satisfying. But I would argue that your previous wins were more deserved. When we won from first in 2010 I knew we deserved it, no arguments. I couldn't stomach a team winning it from eighth. It makes RL look foolish.

Enough about Cameron Smith, what about Sir Kev?

2010 Wigan won from 1st,but if not for Leeds horrendous injuries all season they would have walked SL .That is my honest opinion.Wigan were fortunate that year

No it makes the RFL, pampering to the Sky broadcast requirements and inventing more convoluted play-off rules and opportunities to televise more games for the sole rights fee, look foolish.

Agreed.

Completely.

And I suppose - "end of"!!!!

The only poeple who would look foolish would be the ones in the 7 other playoff teams who bottled when it really mattered.

Although I still don't like the system as it is.

Jeez grapes are sour in Leeds, Wigan best team in SL at present by a country mile

Since it's one game apiece this season - and the winning margin was the same each time - I think Wigan's grapes must be heavily fermented.

are you really that thick or are you just pretending?
after all of the reasoned debate posted prior to your arrival on the scene you then posted this




no 5hit sherlock!
we all couldn't agree with you more and wigan are without a doubt the best side in sl by a country mile at present,but sadly for that present accolade you don't pick up any trophies for being so dominant.

but then again being a giants fan i suppose you have grasped that concept by now

If you could be as specific as to peak for 80mins out of a whole year you would probably earn millions. But it doesnt quite work like that does it. Not being at the peak during the challenge cup final doesnt mean it is a warm up.

Sorry, just being facetious.

My point is that of course Leeds were trying their damndest in the Challenge Cup Final. I'm not too up on the latest Sports Science but training to peak at the end of the season to win the GF doesn't seem that difficult to work out. Surely every team tries to do that. I would argue that there are other factors that come into play here. And luck is one of them.

I just want one Leeds fan to admit that luck played a part as well as the play off system in your success of the past two seasons.

Luck tends to even out over the course of a league campaign but can have too big an effect in a cup competition. (Look at Wigan Athletic for heavens sake!!!)

Winning once from 5th may have an element of luck in it but to do it twice dispels that theory. 6 from 9 reinforces the premiss that luck has nothing to do with it at all.

It's like saying "Wigans 80's/90's winning steak sure was lucky wasn't it?"