You could possibly argue that Saints may well have learned something from the last half decade. Afterall they have comfortably (in all honesty) finished 3rd. Produced some very good performances, along with some scratchy. Rotated their team around to keep players fresh. And now for once have a go at getting from Old Trafford from 3rd instead of where they usually are.

You know that the number the player is holding is nothing to do with the shirt number of the player being substituted right?

Oh I don't disappear, I just don't feel the need to comment on mediocrity. I do have better things to do most weekends though, with the family.

If the standard of the rugby was better, and the team played to it's potential a bit more, then maybe I'd watch every week instead of picking and choosing when I don't have something better on. Frankly I prefer watching my sons play these days.

Couldnt see from where we were sat but did see Chris Plume indicate to Ablett to come off when they were lined up waiting for Brough to convert a try he just shuck his head and refused. Disgraceful attitude from whoever the coach wanted to sub we only had to subs after losing Kirke and Delaney and the fact one of them couldnt get on the pitch because the player being rotated is just wrong Im not saying Hood would have changed the outcome of the game but if the coach wanted him on the pitch he should have been. To me that proved hes just a figure head and not in control of anything

It has been said on here quite a few times over the last few seasons "lets enjoy these times while we can,it wont last forever".It was us and Saints and Bulls,Saints have stayed in touch with the top Bulls sunk,we are touch and go.It will be interesting to see if Wire and wigan have a similar period of domination like Leeds Saints and Bulls.

The number is in relation to number of interchanges taken place, Kirke would of been holding up number 1 when he came on for Leuluai near the beginning of the match as the first subsitution to of taken place.

I remember seeing Ablett just before Hudds scored either their 5th or 6th try with his shoulder hanging down a bit after a tackle and really should of come off whether he was asked or not.

In which case, it makes more sense to think Ablett was being asked if he was injured and needed to come off, and saying "no" than it does to think he was being told to come off and refused.

It does and IF he did refuse then it's not just disrespectful to his coach as people have already pointed out on here but disrespectful to his teammate, in this case, Liam Hood. Hardly going to create a good team morale if Hood, as a young player, is thinking that guy denied him a chance to prove himself at first team level.

Well he should do now even if he didn't before.

Hood was holding up the number 9 and McShane left the field at the Stobart Stadium (or whatever it's called this week) so the system was in full working order.

Agree with main points here, it has become obvious that teams are attacking our right side, Watkins and BJB do seem to stand off and back track off tackles, whilst keinhorst and Hall have had a more forward push, occasionally over keen but puts pressure on defence. One focus of a defensive line needs to happen so the team can trust any players next to them. Our pack rotation as many have said appears to be odd at times and we need to manage this better or if we lack the fire power we need to add to the pack this off season.

There does appear to be some political games in the backroom, Webb, Bailey and Moore not playing recently (Webb as gone now I know). However as a player you need to remember your a team and you have a coach / boss who you need to buy into, otherwise it puts strain on all the team regardless of the reasons.

I think Keinhorst and Hood / McShane can certainly come up to scratch and Leeds should stick with them as we have done with Ablett, BJB, Watkins and Ward, only playing in the SL games will make them ready and develop them to where we need them to be.

Didn't make it to the game, how did keinhorst play?

Good enough to earn the no.4 shirt next season.....mark my words he will be getting it.

Saprano me old take them specs off Brough was the best player on the park yesterday.

What Leeds wouldn't give for a Brough type of half-back right now. Not Brough obviously (that would be hideous) but a player possessing his type of game.

people have said we are poor down watkins side in defence which i agree a little but to me he is not always to blame, for me sinnys defence is very poor which means watkins has to come in and help out i would love to go through the season and see how many tries have come from sinny missing a tackle.