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| Quote: Keith Swiftcorn "Good, solid, dependable player in his time, but never a great player and certainly not in the world class bracket. Improved somewhat during his stint at West Tigers as coach Tim Sheens had to re-educate him, teach him how to defend and insist he went rlback to basicsrl.
Like Morley, collected a few rave reviews down under - which panders to Aussie self-belief in their ability to turn an ordinary pom into a good one - but never really cut the mustard in internationals and has been a disappointment at that level. NRL clubs are very astute when it comes to judging when a players best days are behind him and Ellis's time is clearly up there after 3 seasons of hard graft.
Should Leeds sign him? No. They don't need him.'" I have watched most West Tigers matches in the past few seasons. I'm not sure if you have also watched West Tigers games, Ellis has certainly been in the world class bracket consistently, and has collected high praise from pundits and coaches alike.
I am however indecisive on how much Leeds should offer him, and wouldn't be so sad to see him play for a different team. It is good for superleague that we have a world class player back playing in our country
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| Quote: Invincible "I have watched most West Tigers matches in the past few seasons. I'm not sure if you have also watched West Tigers games, Ellis has certainly been in the world class bracket consistently, and has collected high praise from pundits and coaches alike.
I am however indecisive on how much Leeds should offer him, and wouldn't be so sad to see him play for a different team. It is good for superleague that we have a world class player back playing in our country'"
Being a stand out performer at club level does not make you world class, to be world class you need IMO to be a stand out performer either in internationals or WCC, something that Ellis as failed to do. I would still have him back at Leeds though.
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| GH has a very rigid salary structure - Ellis will command a salary significantly higher than the best paid player at Leeds - Sinfield. GH will simply not pay what the likes of Warrington will. Given his agent he may well end up at Hull KR
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| for the sake of super league he needs to sign for cas or wakey, if he can improve either of those teams so that we go from a competitive top 4/5 to a top 7 or 8 then maybe the england team can benefit
its a bit unfair comparing anyones international record against the auusies as more often than not they are playing on a losing team, on a personal level i think most of the current england team could hold down a place in a aussie club side but collectively they just dont combine as well
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| Quote: Keith Swiftcorn "Like Morley, collected a few rave reviews down under - which panders to Aussie self-belief in their ability to turn an ordinary pom into a good one -'"
They ruined Morely in the NRL. We sent them an 80 minute all action, back row tackling machine with brilliant hands and they returned a 20 minute prop who specialsed in knocking people out. I've never seen a players skill level deteriorate faster, apart from perhaps when Harris went to Union.
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| It was alleged Ellis joined Leeds for less money than was on the table at the time with Wakefield and I wouldn't be all that surprised if he did something similar for the opportunity to test himself in the NRL.
Perhaps his next deal will be all about the money and/or length of contract but I get the impression making life choices doesn't just simply boil down to the hard cash in his case.
As I said earlier if Leeds is his number one choice I hope a sensible deal can be done but if it can't then so be it. Time does pass by so quickly these days.
Re Ellis' International form - I think I've been underwhelmed by it throughout his career but as Leeds won't be playing the likes of Australia and New Zealand for the foreseeable future it's not something I'm going to lose any sleep over from a club supporting prospective.
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| Quote: Fieldheadrhino "Being a stand out performer at club level does not make you world class, to be world class you need IMO to be a stand out performer either in internationals or WCC, something that Ellis as failed to do. I would still have him back at Leeds though.'"
Would have him back at Leeds, but hopefully for a sensable
Fee, not paying over the odds. On Delaney I think he is having a cracking time in the back row, his work rate is great he tackles anything and were he was fairly pedestrian speed in the centre in the back row is alot better. He strikes me as someone who loves to be in the thick of it rather than in the centre.
But to your point re world class. Don't fully agree. Yes it would be good to see him in the internationals being successful, but he has played and achieved player of the year 2yrs in a row in the best competition. It's a team game and internationally we are weak in comparrison and this won't do him any favours.
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| I would have the Gareth Ellis of 2007-2008 ,but we cant do it out of sentiment,and I am sure GH is thinking the same.He will be 32 and he is being released a year early,why?
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| As seen as GH refuses to deal with players who are with his agent eg shenton and later perhaps disco. I can't see it happening.
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| Quote: lionarmour87 "I would have the Gareth Ellis of 2007-2008 ,but we cant do it out of sentiment,and I am sure GH is thinking the same.He will be 32 and he is being released a year early,why?'"
Apparently it's a clause in his contract. Can go early provided not to NRL
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| Quote: lionarmour87 "I would have the Gareth Ellis of 2007-2008 ,but we cant do it out of sentiment,and I am sure GH is thinking the same.He will be 32 and he is being released a year early,why?'"
Read the article
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "Ellis will be 32 next year, and I expect will want a three year deal. No thank you.
But I suppose he would fit in well at Wire or Leeds.'"
You posted the same on the Wigan board, what do you mean?
Ellis will not be 32 next year
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| Quote: sgtwilko "As seen as GH refuses to deal with players who are with his agent eg shenton and later perhaps disco. I can't see it happening.'"
First rule of politics, kiddo: Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.
Or just ask Rob Burrow
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| Could it be Ellis GH went to see on his annual jolly down under? we can only guess.
However with sinfield now concreted in at 6 i would have Ellis back as a loose. Big ball carrying, tackle machine looses seem to be the way the game is going
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