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Quote: Gotcha "It's ridiculous and poor going from the club as a whole, but let's be honest here, that squad should still be good enough to dispose of Hull KR. If not, then the fault should still be lying at the same door, the players, even though anybody with half a brain cell can see that at least Burgess and Clarkson should be in the 17.'"


We didn't manage to squeeze a win out of them last season, and we slipped up big style this season away at KR. So for me, grab any kind of win would do.

But I agree, Biff and Clarkson should be in the 17, at the biggest stretch the regular 19 dependant on form etc.

I can see why Cross hasn't figured of late with our ideal props playing (apart from Biff) but with this tight turn-around of games he should be in this weeks squad. Cross is a big lad with a decent engine so IMO Mac should have been priming him for a return in this fixture to get him going for it, unleash the beast etc. Because if he could control himself and exert his agression in the right format he could do some damage.

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Quote: thebloodbath "It's daft.

I'm not Cross' biggest fan at all, but he should be in this squad. For the reasons you have mentioned. if Cross could direct his aggression the right way, he could do a job.

A reprive for Biff, he should feel soooo lucky!'"


Got to agree. Just proves you can show some rugby acumen if you want to! Eh Pancho!

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "That just leaves the question as to who Clarkson has been shagging!'"


Half of East Leeds.

Maybe he's been for a scrape?

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Quote: rhinoms "Another selection master-plan by our esteemed coach ,who's at fault this week Juan?'"


You got me there icon_surprised.gifops:

However you will have noted rhinoms that I have only defended what I felt was unfair. I have not and will not defended his illogical team selections, illiterate media comment and terrible bodly language.

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "Got to agree. Just proves you can show some rugby acumen if you want to! Eh Pancho!'"


touche Tonto.

My 'acumen' has never been questioned, unlike certain others? icon_wink.gif

Cross is still technically awful though, just so we're clear. I've just started feeling sorry for him.

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Quote: thebloodbath "We didn't manage to squeeze a win out of them last season, and we slipped up big style this season away at KR. So for me, grab any kind of win would do.

But I agree, Biff and Clarkson should be in the 17, at the biggest stretch the regular 19 dependant on form etc.

I can see why Cross hasn't figured of late with our ideal props playing (apart from Biff) but with this tight turn-around of games he should be in this weeks squad. Cross is a big lad with a decent engine so IMO Mac should have been priming him for a return in this fixture to get him going for it, unleash the beast etc. Because if he could control himself and exert his agression in the right format he could do some damage.'"


Cross has the best m per carry and highest marker tackles of all our props and no worse errors or penalties. His game time has been short and his work rate high. Sure he is not the best but neither are any of our other props and he certainly is better than Kirke of Kylie at present.

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "You got me there I know mate i was the same earlier in the season but he just can't seem to get the team going imo and for that he's as much to blame as the 17 who are playing pants on the field.
Anyhow maybe we can have reasonable performance and decent result this weekend. icon_razz.gifRAY:

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "Cross has the best m per carry and highest marker tackles of all our props and no worse errors or penalties. His game time has been short and his work rate high. Sure he is not the best but neither are any of our other props and he certainly is better than Kirke of Kylie at present.'"


Nice to see you throwing a few stats in. Very refreshing. Good work.

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Can we still change any of the 19 selected if say on the day the players declare themselves unfit to play?
I know the 19 man squad rule was brought in to stop this.
But Bluey used to get away with it .
If JP,JJB and KS drop out then Cross and Clarkson might just get a game.
I can`t see KL playing two games in 3 days either.

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Quote: thebloodbath "touche Tonto.

My 'acumen' has never been questioned, unlike certain others?
Lets not forget these are props we are talklng about. We are not looking for some a seminar of the theory of being a RL prop. We need urgent action with big effort and a good go forward. Cross provides this - ok with some rough edges that frankly we could have done with over the past couple of weeks. He has made the most marker tackles per game (4.7) of any Leeds player with only Peacock coming close. (Kirke 2.57 and Kylie 2.25) This is important because it has been an area of weakness for us when compared to other sides (we are 12th out of 14) It also shows he was 1st or 2nd into the tackle and was up and ready to defend.

I suppose with your "acumen" and fairness you would say that with the exceptions of Cross, JP, JJB & Buderus the rest of the Leeds forwards are "technically bloody awful" ......Right Kemo Sabi?

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Crossy deserves a chance, fair enough hes made some mistakes getting penalised whilst in possession twice but i feel especially now JP is fit again he could really compliment our pack, but i said a couple of weeks ago, for what ever reason hes well out of faour atm, and i cant see him playing again this season.

burgess is back thats one good thing, but clarky still not selected is a joke, he was playing well and getting better and better every week now he cant get in, which i could understand if we were showing warringtons form, but weve just shipped 40+ in back to back games. Its easy to see that hes worth a place more than weller at the moment, well for everyone except Mc!

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Quote: chapylad "Can we still change any of the 19 selected if say on the day the players declare themselves unfit to play?
I know the 19 man squad rule was brought in to stop this.
But Bluey used to get away with it .
If JP,JJB and KS drop out then Cross and Clarkson might just get a game.
I can`t see KL playing two games in 3 days either.'"


yes you can change injured players up to kick off but they need a doctors note supposedly, I can't see a problem with jjb playing sunday as he's the 18th man tonight!

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Quote: The Ice Man "Its easy to see that hes worth a place more than weller at the moment, well for everyone except Mc!'"


Clarkson more directly should be in Wellers spot. It's not rocket science, it's only rugby.

But on a scale you're correct Cross should be above him in the pecking order.

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "

a stat-jizz

then.........

I suppose with your "acumen" and fairness you would say that with the exceptions of Cross, JP, JJB & Buderus the rest of the Leeds forwards are "technically bloody awful" ......Right Kemo Sabi?

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Yeah with the exception of Cross?? Yeah I can't let that slide, at all. His technically awfulness is his achilles heel, his weak-spot. All players have them. I have never questioned his fitness or workrate. Just the way he goes about things, it's a little Sloppy Joe for me. if he could get a handle on his aggression and channel it effectively he would be vastly improved and would give himself a better opportunity to make the 17. He had a run at the start of the year to show what he could do, when we were struggling with prop injuries maybe he hasn't done enough?

I know props are props and the whole 'big daft lad' sentiment can be brought up, but he's far from perfect. My ideal props of Kylie, JP, Biff and Bails is the correct combo IMO. You get a bit of everything. They just all need to hit their straps. ALL not just leaving out your 'chosen ones'. I expect more.

Look at the Biff and Clarkson situation. Cross can't find his way into the team with these 2 on the edges, which is a puzzle. But I'd rather see Biff/Clarky than Cross. But in fairness Cross is light years ahead of weller, so go figure!

Saddle up brother.

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