err, guys... Diskin doesn't play for the Rhinos anymore. I would hope that all Leeds fans wholeheartedly support our first choice hooker throughout the season.

Sure we will....the point is that due to mis-management we have wasted at least a year (I'm being kind) of his talents persisting in the two hooker failure.
I hasten to add this was not Diskin's fault....but the enlightened on here could see the folly of the policy.

The same mis-management has also deprived us of at least one year of a very talented TWENTY TWO year old exciting back.....(and the loss of a classic young English specialist winger to the Salford Reds).

It has further deprived us of at least half a season of a natural second rower playing centre...again the more enlightened could see the folly.

The club continues to make the same mistake with Hardaker and Ambler.

Why don't you just coach the team and spare us all another wasted season.

Nah....it's much more fun to moan and lament the failings of others.

I have done. All I said was that I hoped that he could emulate the successes Diskin enjoyed. Seems that even saying that will raise the shackles of the Buderus' worshipers.

Try focusing on the words that were written rather than the punctuation at the end of the paragraph and we'll be better able to discuss what was written rather than what you think was written, or what you now say was written some time ago



Let me help. I'll clear things up. When I said "We had been hugely successful with Diskin and I hope we are as successful with Buderus. He only has 4 championships to get there..."

What I meant was "We had been hugely successful with Diskin and I hope we are as successful with Buderus. He only has 4 championships to get there"

Does it make it any clearer without the extra full stops? No comparison of the players individual abilities there whatsoever. Just an expression of a hope that Buderus can help us achieve what Diskin did.


You used three full stops. Does that mean you think Diskin is a better hooker than Buderus?

Shackles. That made me smile.

If I had to highlight three from a great team display it would be:

1 - Kylie
2 - Buderus
3 - Sinfield

What utter bull$hit.

It is due to this management that we are arguably the best run club in SL, and the most successful on the field over the last 7 years.

Yes, Diskin and Buderus didn't work. Having said that we were only trying to do what every other club was doing with 2 hookers. Should we have signed Buderus? maybe not, but if helps us to two more titles in the next two years I daresay opinion on that will change.

Are you seriously suggesting it was a mistake to let BJB go to Harlequins? Compare his performances on the wing in 2009 and that of last week plus how comforatble he looked at fullback at Hull and that should be enough to show what a great decision it was by the club. He would not have gained the same exposure to first team rugby at Leeds.

Broughton. Again, are you serious? What makes you think we should have kept him? Should we also have kept Peter Fox who's had a decent run since leaving Leeds. Perhaps we could play them on the 4th and 5th wing alongside Hall, Smith and BJB. After all so many wingers is a much better use of the cap than 2 hookers.

Who would you have played at centre throughout last year? I agree Delaney looked for all the world a perfect fit for 2nd row but he also did a decent job for us at right centre all year. Now I'm unsure if you're criticising Bluey or hetherington, or both???

As for Ambler and Hardaker - on another thread I have posted my hypothetical Grand Final team. There are at least 7 players outside that 17 who would be in a lot of SL sides. This shows what depth we have. I don't think either of the above would be close to the 19 man squad if everyone was fit. Therefore they are gaining useful experience rather than playing in a poor under 20s competition at Leeds. It makes perfect sense.

Bet you worship god and david cameron in the same way as the hierarchy at the rhinos ... N ' est ce pas ?

Just read back your own post to see how silly you are.

Sticking a French phrase in your post doesn't make your opinion superior. I stand by everything I said but especially the bits about jones bishop and the two loanees this year. What would they have possibly gained from playing in our under 20s every week?

Was it not you who suggested a move for Lee smith to stand off??? It seems the silly posts are all coming from the same place

Has anyone ever seen GOD and GH in the same room?

Good post there Andy!
There are always consequences from any decision, and occasionally one may come back and bite you on the ass. Broughton may be a case in point, but as Norwich would say C'est la Vie.

Ok I've got nothing better to do at the moment...so flippancy aside (surely none of us should take this too seriously after all) I will endeavour to debate as if this is a critical matter.

In the commercial world (which Leeds RL is part of) before making a [imajor[/i investment (Buderus) you ensure proper research is carried out first to ensure it complements your assets (specifically Diskin).
The major issue was the persistence in trying to implement a policy that clearly - some considerable time ago - was not going to be the most productive use of the new superior asset.

You state BJB "would not have gained the same exposure to first team rugby at Leeds"...why not ? Who are you saying was immune to de-selection ? The guy is now TWENTY TWO....he was not some young kid vulnerable to too early a confidence shattering baptism. The club should have had more faith in him and let somebody else go (Donald perhaps).

Ref Peter Fox I did state "recent years"...I guess it depends how you define 'recent' ?

Broughton I repeat is a specialist winger...so of Hall, Smith (a [inon-specialist[/i winger who had left to join Wasps RU !! ) and BJB (another [inon-specialist[/i winger who you have already stated you were happy to see shipped out to Harlequins !!) I would suggest there was NOT a plethora of wingers at the club and I would have, yes, thus retained his services

The question then about Delaney becomes irrelevant. With Broughton and BJB retained there would have been no need to secure the services of an average-at-best Aussie centre.

As for last season there were other slightly less bad options such as Smith (who has better pace and elusiveness) or even Ablett (who can at least look to draw his man and pass to his outside team-mate) at centre. The folly in persisting with a hugely capable second rower at centre was another faux pas !! ..Please excuse my love of French phases.

You state neither Hardaker nor Ambler "would be close to the 19 man squad if everyone was fit". Again..why not ? If they are good enough they should be....and I believe that they are good enough. Kirke had a good game against Hull FC but Ambler IMO is the better player to have retained. Senior should have made way for Hardaker and the other 'young uns' if there are luxuries we cannot afford to keep under the cap.

As for suggesting Smith at stand off ....I have remarked previously he reminds me of Neil Hague who had a similar versatility without ever commanding a regular spot. I still say one day you will see him paying there. I might be wrong....none of us are infallible....INCLUDING the Leeds Rhinos' heirarchy !!!!