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I agree. My understanding was the same - the dog was named after the name of a dark brown colour in common use on paints and coloured pencils. How that colour was originally named I do not know, indeed it may have been racist or it may not have been. But until recent years it was part of the language and not used as a racist slur.
But to insinuate that Gibson was a racist is way over the top. In the war ere what we now accept as racist terms were in common use but at the time ordinary people were not intentially racist just because they used the language of the day. PC wasn't invented then as we were fighting alongside "the frogs" against "the Krauts" and "Nips"
But please, please never forget that our country went to war against an evil enemy that was truly racist in a way that cannot be compared with use of nicknames because in those days thats all they were.
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[b:1e1swnry]Fat Boy wrote:[/b:1e1swnry] Bradford are now officially the RFL's biatches.
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| Quote: G1 "Interesting thread.
As as already been said, films are not documentaries. Artistic licence is ALWAYS taken with events for the sake of drama. Therefore, there is little to get excited about due to the changing of the dogs' name.
Having said that, the film would have more merit for me if it portrayed Gibson accurately in line with Puig Auberts description as someone portrayed as heroic but obviously racist in a time when attitudes were very different to now.
One of the greatest depictions of idiotic racists in film was blazing saddles. If that was re-made would the term be removed and replaced to avoid causing offence? If so, it would ruin the film. That film used the term more than any other film I can recall (aside from Gangsta rap videos).
Film (and other media) often depict tasteless, appalling, violent or unpleasant acts, behaviour, terms or phrases. So it should.
The gassing of Jews is offensive and unpleasant but I don't think Schindler's List would have been quite the same if they decided to fluff it up and leave that part out.
OK, so that was integral and the dog's name may (or may not) be but so what. The term is obviously offensive. However, depicting a historical character from a different era accurately cannot be offensive to any right minded person either whether they're a brother from Little London or a honkey from the kind of honkey villages both Puig Aubert and Batley Rhino live in.'"
You've obviously not seen the Wayans brothers first film, "I'm gonna get you sucker". Which deals with racism on an level that would get any White director hue and cried and hng by the posse. |
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[quote:1pqtnbtj]Every player in our squad could probably earn more money with another club. But they prefer to sacrifice a few extra quid in their back pocket to share special memories. And playing at a place like Old Trafford on a night like this makes it all worthwhile.[/quote:1pqtnbtj]
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| Quote: loinertillidie "You've obviously not seen the Wayans brothers first film, "I'm gonna get you sucker". Which deals with racism on an level that would get any White director hue and cried and hng by the posse.'" You're right.
I hope to go to my grave without seeing any film made by the Wayans brothers. |
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| Quote: Juan Cornetto "I agree. My understanding was the same - the dog was named after the name of a dark brown colour in common use on paints and coloured pencils. How that colour was originally named I do not know, indeed it may have been racist or it may not have been. But until recent years it was part of the language and not used as a racist slur.
But to insinuate that Gibson was a racist is way over the top. In the war ere what we now accept as racist terms were in common use but at the time ordinary people were not intentially racist just because they used the language of the day. PC wasn't invented then as we were fighting alongside "the frogs" against "the Krauts" and "Nips"
But please, please never forget that our country went to war against an evil enemy that was truly racist in a way that cannot be compared with use of nicknames because in those days thats all they were.'"
Indeed. And it has been pointed out the dog was named after a colour of shoe polish FFS!
We remember on the 11th November, all the millions of all creeds and colour, who sacrificed their lives in pursuit of the very ideals that allow some on here to spew their apologist PC views.
Although I suspect, neither of them would be seen at the Cenotaph paying their respects.
Nor would they be welcome. |
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[quote:1pqtnbtj]Every player in our squad could probably earn more money with another club. But they prefer to sacrifice a few extra quid in their back pocket to share special memories. And playing at a place like Old Trafford on a night like this makes it all worthwhile.[/quote:1pqtnbtj]
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| Quote: BillyRhino "
Nor would they be welcome.'" Who do you speak for?
Look, the name of the dog is a racist term. It was a racist term back then and has been for some time however you and others may try and defend it.
rlhttp://www.aaregistry.com/african_american_history/2420/Nigger_the_word_a_brief_historyrl
rlhttp://www.economicexpert.com/a/Nigger:word.htmrl
Quote: BillyRhino "Several American English dictionaries have labeled it as a vulgarism, including a 1913 Webster's dictionary, which defined "" as "A negro; — in vulgar derision or depreciation." '"
In an age where attitudes to racism were very different to now I can fully accept that our heros were likely racist in their veiws because that will have been prevelant. We should not judge them by today's standards but nor should we be blinkered to the obvious. |
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| Quote: BillyRhino "Indeed. And it has been pointed out the dog was named after a colour of shoe polish FFS!
We remember on the 11th November, all the millions of all creeds and colour, who sacrificed their lives in pursuit of the very ideals that allow some on here to spew their apologist PC views.
Although I suspect, neither of them would be seen at the Cenotaph paying their respects.
Nor would they be welcome.'"
I like to think the reason my dad & uncles went to war was so ignorant racists couldn't decide where & when people can pay their respects. |
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| Quote: tigertot "I like to think the reason my dad & uncles went to war was so ignorant racists couldn't decide where & when people can pay their respects.'"
I'd pass on the thinking bit, and perhaps get an adult to explain the very fashionable and easily banded about term "racist" to you?
Then take another, more enlightened look at what has been written, and depart rejoicing into this chilly afternoon.  |
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| Quote: BillyRhino "I'd pass on the thinking bit'"
Seems you usually do. |
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[b:1e1swnry]Fat Boy wrote:[/b:1e1swnry] Bradford are now officially the RFL's biatches.
[b:1e1swnry]Seventies red wrote:[/b:1e1swnry] Whats a biatch?.
[b:1e1swnry]gulfcoast_highwayman wrote:[/b:1e1swnry] They wear red and white and cry a lot in October.:6553.gif |
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| Quote: Juan Cornetto "I agree. My understanding was the same - the dog was named after the name of a dark brown colour in common use on paints and coloured pencils. How that colour was originally named I do not know, indeed it may have been racist or it may not have been. But until recent years it was part of the language and not used as a racist slur..'"
Hey, the Australians have accepted that the word is not a part of modern day parlance, you only need to put the above colour of shoe polish into a popular search engine to find the furore over the renaming of the stand at Toowoomba Oval, which the local Aborigines actually wanted to retain. it took a UN commitee to get it changed in the end.
What is the problem with accepting that regardless of social or demographic context it is not acceptable now? |
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| Quote: Bullseye "Seems you usually do.'"
Shushed.
We've got enough window lickers onsite without attracting out of towners! |
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[b:1e1swnry]Fat Boy wrote:[/b:1e1swnry] Bradford are now officially the RFL's biatches.
[b:1e1swnry]Seventies red wrote:[/b:1e1swnry] Whats a biatch?.
[b:1e1swnry]gulfcoast_highwayman wrote:[/b:1e1swnry] They wear red and white and cry a lot in October.:6553.gif |
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| Quote: BillyRhino "Shushed.
We've got enough window lickers onsite without attracting out of towners!'"
I'm an out of towner but I still went on parade. Am I allowed to continue posting?  |
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“At last, a real, Tory budget,” Daily Mail 24/9/22
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| Quote: BillyRhino "I'd pass on the thinking bit, and perhaps get an adult to explain the very fashionable and easily banded about term "racist" to you?
Then take another, more enlightened look at what has been written, and depart rejoicing into this chilly afternoon. ![]()
Why am I not surprised by your supercilious tone? No doubt you adopt the same attitude to anyone disagreeing with your ignorance. Even the millions who are offended by the term. Very enlightening.
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| Quote: tigertot "Why am I not surprised by your supercilious tone? No doubt you adopt the same attitude to anyone disagreeing with your ignorance. Even the millions who are offended by the term. Very enlightening.'"
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| Quote: loinertillidie "I'm an out of towner but I still went on parade. Am I allowed to continue posting? ![]()
Ah,..... youre the f***ker with the two left feet then!
Be aware, if your christian name is Tom, all sorts of people may get a tad upset......
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[quote:1pqtnbtj]Every player in our squad could probably earn more money with another club. But they prefer to sacrifice a few extra quid in their back pocket to share special memories. And playing at a place like Old Trafford on a night like this makes it all worthwhile.[/quote:1pqtnbtj]
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| Quote: tigertot "Why am I not surprised by your supercilious tone? No doubt you adopt the same attitude to anyone disagreeing with your ignorance. Even the millions who are offended by the term. Very enlightening.'" Save your breath. This moron is another user name for Ramrod.
He can't properly understand the issue, let alone debate it. |
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