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| Quote: Eccleshill Rhino "
A young coach from Australia '"
Ah, an Australian. Because nobody in this country would have a clue how they train down under.
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| Quote: Eccleshill Rhino "We must agree to differ
A young coach from Australia who has seen the Aussies coaching methodology and conditioning techniques who can bring some new ideas who would be less familiar with the players - in the past that would have been a Jason Taylor or Steven Kearney.'" Don't you think a number 2 should be the one who is famiiar with the players because I do?
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| Quote: LEEDSLEADS. "I think Eccleshill Rhino is correct, we need to break up the team, just like Alex Ferguson sold Giggs, O'Shea, Gary Neville, Paul Scholes etc. Like Saints sold Cunningham, Long, Wellens, Gardner, Roby etc.
For us to be successful again lets sell Webb, Smith, McGuire, Burrow & Sinfield.
The very least Sinfield deserves for his recent games not being played to his usual high standard is to be stripped of the captaincy - just to restore his confidence.'"
So the team Ferguson had when he first won the title included the likes of Beckham, Giggs etc not it didn't, how many of the Beckham Giggs are still playing 2/3 Ferguson has had 4 different sides since his time at Man U look at the serious players he has moved on - Stamp, Cole, Beckham, Butt the goal scorer they sold to Real Madrid can't remember his name etc etc
For us to be successful again lets standstill do nothing - whilst other clubs pass us by - why not good plan that!!
So if Sinfield continues his poor form you keep selecting him and let he be captain - great stuff!!!
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| Quote: Eccleshill Rhino "So the team Ferguson had when he first won the title included the likes of Beckham, Giggs etc not it didn't, how many of the Beckham Giggs are still playing 2/3 Ferguson has had 4 different sides since his time at Man U look at the serious players he has moved on - Stamp, Cole, Beckham, Butt the goal scorer they sold to Real Madrid can't remember his name etc etc
For us to be successful again lets standstill do nothing - whilst other clubs pass us by - why not good plan that!!
So if Sinfield continues his poor form you keep selecting him and let what is left of his confidence get smashed out of him - go stuff!!!'"
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| Quote: Dave Heron's Moustache "Ah, an Australian. Because nobody in this country would have a clue how they train down under.'"
If they did our players would be as fit and strong as the Australians something which has been proved not to be the case for many years now - so it would appear we do lack the knowledge of how to prepare our players correctly both physically and technically. Only a fool would suggest the training methods in SL are anywhere near the level in the NRL.
You saw the world cup do you honestly believe we are anywhere near the level of the Aussies or the Kiwis?
Look at the 2 most successful coaches in recent SL history where did they come from GB - how many British coaches have won a GF - 2 how many Aussies/Kiwis!!!
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| Quote: fanstanningley "Don't you think a number 2 should be the one who is famiiar with the players because I do?'"
No not at all - the coaches should coach and the players play if you blur that you have problems. Reserve grade coaching is a different matter then I would agree with you because that is about identifying those with potential and nuturing them to their potential.
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| Quote: joshua102 "We are also giving away far too many penalties away'"
Gave away less than Salford did yesterday and still couldn't beat the City Slickers.
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| Quote: Eccleshill Rhino "Look at the 2 most successful coaches in recent SL history where did they come from GB - how many British coaches have won a GF - 2 how many Aussies/Kiwis!!!'"
Aussie / Kiwis = 7
GB = 4
Up until the last three seasons it was 4 a piece.
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| Quote: tvoc "Aussie / Kiwis
The standard of British coaches is the equivilent of the standard of the British game - poor.
Maybe this goes to show why a coach roundly accepted as been tactically naive in the NRL has ripped it up in ESL, yes step forward Nathan Brown.
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| Quote: tvoc "Gave away less than Salford did yesterday and still couldn't beat the City Slickers.'"
True but my point was about OUR conceeded penalties mate, Far too many and then leads to threads about poor refs etc, Sure Smith had a fine policy for giving away penalties ( could be wrong )
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| Quote: Eccleshill Rhino "If they did our players would be as fit and strong as the Australians something which has been proved not to be the case for many years now - so it would appear we do lack the knowledge of how to prepare our players correctly both physically and technically. Only a fool would suggest the training methods in SL are anywhere near the level in the NRL.
You saw the world cup do you honestly believe we are anywhere near the level of the Aussies or the Kiwis?
Look at the 2 most successful coaches in recent SL history where did they come from GB - how many British coaches have won a GF - 2 how many Aussies/Kiwis!!!'"
Just to point out the small logic slip amidst all that pontificating there - Bluey is from where?
So why do we need to sack three guys who are obviously doing the job their employers want just employ a f******g Australian of some description.
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| Quote: Dave Heron's Moustache "Just to point out the small logic slip amidst all that pontificating there - Bluey is from where?
So why do we need to sack three guys who are obviously doing the job their employers want just employ a f******g Australian of some description.'"
And has Bluey coached in the NRL?
Has he coached a club side at the highest level on a weely basis (I aren't talking Bartercard here!!).
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| Quote: The Magic Wand "And has Bluey coached in the NRL?
Has he coached a club side at the highest level on a weely basis (I aren't talking Bartercard here!!).'"
I'm sure when he was in charge of New Zealand they let him look at the mystical magic book of Australian and Kiwi training methods. Maybe they didn't? Maybe it's something that they only show to reserve grade junior coaches in the NRL, of the like that we should be recruiting?
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| Quote: Dave Heron's Moustache "I'm sure when he was in charge of New Zealand they let him look at the mystical magic book of Australian and Kiwi training methods. Maybe they didn't? Maybe it's something that they only show to reserve grade junior coaches in the NRL, of the like that we should be recruiting?
Thanks for not answering the question, so I will answer it for you, no he hasn't coached in the NRL and no he hasn't coached a top side on a day to day basic unless of course you count the Rhinos.
And there lies the problem, coaching New Zealand over a short period of time means training methods are very much designed to deliver fast win objectives, its also a lot about bringing a group of players together and getting them to bond quickly which I think you will find is where our illustriuos coach comes into his won.
However and this is the big one, arm round shoulder coaching works short term (ala Tri-Nations), long term its been proven time and time again that it fails, and it will fail with Leeds.
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| Quote: The Magic Wand "Thanks for not answering the question, so I will answer it for you, no he hasn't coached in the NRL and no he hasn't coached a top side on a day to day basic unless of course you count the Rhinos.
And there lies the problem, coaching New Zealand over a short period of time means training methods are very much designed to deliver fast win objectives, its also a lot about bringing a group of players together and getting them to bond quickly which I think you will find is where our illustriuos coach comes into his won.
However and this is the big one, arm round shoulder coaching works short term (ala Tri-Nations), long term its been proven time and time again that it fails, and it will fail with Leeds.'"
Ah now. Here we see you not reading the thread before you type a load of cack ("I aren't talking Bartercard here" priceless.. ).
Go and read what your idiot twin brother Eccleshill was talking about. Christ you two didn't fall far from the numpty tree did you?
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