Thats fair enough.One of the reasons i made the thread was because i know there are people out there who have made up their mind on Mac being useless and he could stay for another three seasons winning six on the bounce and they would still want rid.

You will not have to wait long for that to change

I actually think he's got as tough a job as anybody before him if not harder.
He came in when expectation for success was higher than ever he's had to oversee the departures of Senior ,Webb ,Ali and also the core of the squad getting older.
I will always be gratefull to him and imo his place in the Clubs histort etc etc should be a no brainer up there with TS ,Bluey and Muzza for bringing success.
Onto how and why he attracts so much criticism at times is imo his obvious policy of favouritism with selection ,his bench rotations ,and up until we hit rock bottom with injuries some of his use of the U19 lads.
I have always commented on each individual situation as it arose but overall our success under him deserves plenty of recognition but that doesn't mean IF we think something is wrong or question some calls he makes that what happened over the last 2yrs makes him right or unquestionable nor does it mean we are gonna repeat that success either.

Mac will struggle to get the credit as he has took on a team who knows how to win at the right time.
Leeds' overall poor entertaintment value at home during his tenure (3 years and counting) doesn't do him any favours either with me when fairly compared to what I paid to watch under Smith and Bluey.

McDermott inherited a good side - 10 of the team that won the 2009 GF are still getting picked in the starting 17. So how good a coach he is difficult to assess. He needs to build a winning side without the likes of Peacock and Sinfield to be judged a great coach.

What cannot be denied he has been the coach for two of the finest wins in the SL era: the play off win at Warrington in 2011 and the play off win at Wigan in 2012.

Just as an aside, BMcD has yet to coach a team to a higher league finishing position then when he joined a club.

That would be a semi useful statistic if league positions were the be all and end all of the competition.

Yes, but you are missing the point. It is only about the Grand Final, and that is all down to him and nothing to do with the group of players he has had at his disposal. Come on man.

If it's all down to the players, how do you judge a good coach with this team then Gotcha?

I'm interested to know what you're looking for...

Hey - I never said it was useful.

I've never met him, but get the sense of a bloke with a strong moral code - same as Sinfield and Peacock - which I presume is why they have such mutual respect. I think that synergy is very important for the team.

His coaching methods are unusual and (I'm guessing) draw heavily on his military background. Although not perfect (what is?), I prefer this to the textbook Australian approach. I think there's a resilience in this team which none of its peers can emulate.

Sport generally is full of s. I like the ethos of the Rhinos at present and I'm happy for my sons to support the club.

He doesn't have to be the most technically gifted coach.

This team has had its success by something special within the camp. Sure they've bags of ability as have Wigan, Warrington and Hudds, but Leeds have something extra within the group. Brian McDermott is not the best coach out there, but he seems to fit into the group and is now part of the special bond and culture at the Rhinos.

You can pick the best coach on the planet and he may not fit into the Rhinos mould, so when the going gets tough and the squad needs to come together e.g. playoff rugby, that spirit may no longer be there. So for that reason Brain McDermott deserves to be right along side every single one of this special group.

If you want someone that rants and raves and gets consistency out of his team e.g. Shaun Wane, go for it, but you won't get that special team spirit that annually comes together.

I was at the Leeds Rugby Foundation dinner in July 2011, a time when Leeds really did have the backs against the wall. McDermott was doing a Q&A on stage, I thought this is going to be interesting! Boy, can McDermott talk! Every word you believed the guy, he was such a brilliant speaker and had such a presence and aura about him, I can see why Leeds get a lot of belief in the big matches.

I've been McDermotts biggest and worse fan over the last couple of years, but that is how I think he works.

Tony Smith had to build a team around a core of exciting youngsters and did so, but went two years without winning anything (unless you count the WCC against a half-strength Dogs side).

Brian McLennan came in, took on the team that Smith built and pretty much just kept it pointing in the same direction before his laissez-faire culture caught up with him and the players.

McDermott came in and had to correct the course that the team was heading in under McLennan and has done so. Two titles in two years speaks for itself. His job is to win trophies, and he's done so.

I'd put him somewhere below Smith but above McLennan if I were ranking them. As with any coach though, the test of their time at a club is often revealed by what they leave behind (see the mess Noble left Bradford and Wigan's youth structures in, for example).

Firstly, If I bedded Katie Perry would it be the greatest achievement of my life? Maybe, but lets discuss it when it happens.

As for McDermott, Leeds' success under him deserves respect and recognition. I believe that although good players / teams win games, you will struggle to win competitions with someone poor running the show.

Many of McDermott's decisions are strange, but come grand final night, those games where we left 2 subs unused, may have helped condition the rest of the players to deal with the adversity of playing with low numbers. Who knows how it works, and maybe it is fluke, but to fluke it 2 years on the bounce, something that has only been done by 1 coach before him is unlikely, even if it was with a similar core of players. I guess the key question is could the same coach do it with a differnet group of players? Who knows? Smith hasn't as yet been able to win a title with an arguably much more talented group of players at Wire, and he's been there 4 years

Seems like a my way or the highway style of coaching, but proof is in the pudding and 2 league titles in 2 years is just that. Week in week out performance has probably been at its most inconsistent the last two seasons so not the best for the fans. Disappointed with the CC effort this year, really need to win that comp again!

Has his coaching style benefitted the club in general or has it alienated some players?

IMO I think if he gets us to the GF hen he'll be here next year too. Overall you can't knock the final result of the last two years in a results based business!