Honestly, Brown had numerous offers to coach in NRL next year, honest.

I think you are been quite naive there.

Him staying is not a suprise to me, I posted on here months ago (just after his announcement) that I thought he would still be in super league next year. I'll be honest I actually alluded that he might be the Bulls coach, but did say at the time don't be suprised if he's still at the Giants.

With the squad they have assembled he is far from going as far as he can. The downturn in form this year as come since his announcement. Things will start to change again now, and I can see a good year from them in 2011.

What's naive about it?
They are a play off team and a tough team in the CC i don't see them going further because imo they aren't an elite outfit and whilst they'll get the odd win against us, Saints and others etc i don't see them getting to and winning the GF maybe a couple of CC appearences but that's as far as i see them going.

Nah - happened after.

Ken Davy has friends in high places//

You said they had gone as far as they can full stop. You didn't limit it to just the league. But I still think you are been naive. It's not an aged team they have, they have some good young players that are going to improve further.

Wigan and Warrington for the last few years were behind what Huddersfield have been for the last two. It doesn't take a lot to suddenly change.

They have all the resources to be an elite outfit. Whether they realise it is up to them.

That's all well and good but whilst this prediction of yours is happening do you think Us,Saints,Pies,Wire etc are gonna stand still??
They have got to adjust to losing their best player,AFIK Lunt hasn't signed a new deal and signing Brough has just upset the balance.
Far too many ifs and buts to say they will be an elite out-fit and imo they won't be.
As for the Pies ,getting a good coach in suggets they haven't really been behind the Giants plus they were into the final eliminator twice whereas the gIants were'nt.
Then we have Wire do you see the Giants having the financial clout that warrington have thrown around in the last couple of years? Don't think so.

We are certainly not, we are going backwards mate, no doubt about that. Sure Saints, Wigan and Wire will go forward, but why won't Huddersfield also?

They are not going to be adjusting to losing their best player. He is aged and next year will show that. He was their best player last year, 2010 is a different year, and 2011 will certainly be a different year. Why is it that posters can see no further than the past a lot of the times?

You are correct on Brough, but I have a feeling that might be more the timing of the addition rather thant the signing. Things could quite easily change after a good preseason.

Did he announce he was leaving Hudds before Leeds extended Bluey's contract..

That's funny they still use him as their "go too" man and they openly talk about him as their best player ala Sinfield at Leeds but of course if you don't agree then that's the debate over.
How are we going backwards?
The squad has been decimated this year with injuries and we have still seen the emergance of Clarkson,Pitts and Ambler.
Having Bjb on loan will be great for us long term,Smithy will only get better with a full RL pre-season.
You say certain posters can't see further than the past what about those who write a squad off without looking at the bigger picture i.e Injuries which lead to chopping and changing combinations,no rotation and a loss in confidence.
I personally wouldn't of given Senior another year and i'm surprised Donald and Buderus are staying simply because i thought they would return home.
Even with that considered we still have players who have age on their side and are yet to reach their peak.
There's plenty of life and quality left in this squad and to announce it's going backwards without taking all the facts into consideration now who is being naive?

There is no facts to take into consideration. Injuries is a pish poor excuse. It is only excusable like the time we played a near full strength Wigan side with a lot of players out. It is not excusable when you play Crusaders or Hull Kr with more players out than we have. That is not something that bodes well.

Of course players like Clarkson, Pitts, Ambler, and BJB are only going to get better with experience. But where are they going to get into the team? considering we have just resigned our whole squad for next year. Are you hoping for the same injury crisis as this?

The only players playing regularly in this side who are still to reach their peack are Delaney, Hall, and Ablett. Who else of the regulars are you considering in that respect?

By contrast Saints have had just as bad an injury crisis as we have had, and have done it with a smaller squad. They have introduced more of their younger players and have still managed to be above us in the league and reached the same semi. That will serve them extremly well for next year. To add to that they have gone out and made a significant addition to their squad that will undoubtably improve them, and are rumoured to have made two more which will be a significant improvement. Yet whilst they have had to use their youngsters at first team level, their academy sides at all levels have been outperforming us.

The main fact I see is that Saints will undoubtably move forward next year, and you can only see the same for Wigan and Wire also.

As far as Huddersfield is concerned, If I was an Huddersfield fan I would feel much happier with Cudjoe at fullback come 2011, than a futher aged Hodgson.

Bailey is still only 26,there's still more to come from Mcguire and Burrow imo we also have Smithy who is far from his peak.
With the youngsters proving themselves you don't need an injury crisis to intergrate them.
It helps with rotation so your older players get plenty of rest and how do you work out the HKR and Crusaders had more than us missing?
For the HKR game we were missing Leuleui,Ali,Beastwood,Webb,Buderus,Diskin and Burgess whereas they were missing Welham,Colbon,Walker,Webster!
injuries is a FACT and to dismiss it as a pish poor excuse is bollox especially with the combinations and structures it effects.
Again you are virtually writing a squad off that still has the chance to do the double this year and compete for everything again next year whilst showing a distinct lack of faith in a CEO who has delivered un precidented success.
I think you are been way too harsh and ott and again we can debate as long as you want but i don't agree with your assessments of this squad and to dismiss things which clearly have an effect on performance and structure of the team doesn't make any sense.

Hull KR were missing Colbon, Walker, Welham, Webster, Wheeldon, Ratu. 4 of which are centres, you don't think that would effect them? they had to bring in a player who had not played super league previously from another clubs juniors.

Crusaders were missing, Thomas, Witt, Sammut, Trimarchi, Lee, and Thackray. There were some other fringe players missing also. They played without first choice half backs, you don't think that effect them?



I am not writing off a squad at all. I am saying that next year will be a year too far for many of the senior players. That's different to what you are saying I am saying. I have already voiced my opinion that we would win the comp this season, because I think there might just be enough left in us. I don't think there will be next year, not when our rivals will certainly be moving forward.

Weren't Lauitiiti and Burgess named in the initial 19 for Hull KR?

If they were, were they injured or simply not selected by coach McClennan?

I'd say not quite ready but the available numbers forced them to be named.