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Quote: Andy Gilder "Big fish, small pond.

Small fish, big pond.

Big difference.

Still don't rate him, falls into the category of too many young British centres of being all about size and a skill-free zone.

No doubt he'll look good against Gibson tonight and everyone can go back to praising his mediocrity again and building him up as the next big thing.'"


we will see it would not surprise me to see gibson coming out on top and scoring and or setting up a couple of tries again

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Quote: Tony Soprano "If he's an improvement on Gibson then what's the problem, and I do agree about the not much skill bit but it never harmed Senior.'"


Not a problem at all, being an improvement on Gibson isn't much of an achievement however and something Watkins is likely to attain over the next 12 months as he matures.

I just happen to think Atkins is wildly over-rated and that Leeds should have their sights set higher if they want to bring in a medium to long term replacement for Senior - who IMO is made to look like Brad Godden next to Atkins in terms of skill.

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Is Webb not playing tonight then?

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Quote: Austin 3:16 "Is Webb not playing tonight then?'"


he has been included in the 19 man squad but i reckon they will rest him for another week to make sure he is fully fit

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Quote: jimmyv001 "he has been included in the 19 man squad but i reckon they will rest him for another week to make sure he is fully fit'"


Thanks for that, it's just with some saying that Gibson will be up against Atkins I though i'd missed that Webb had been withdrawn from the squad.

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Quote: Austin 3:16 "Thanks for that, it's just with some saying that Gibson will be up against Atkins I though i'd missed that Webb had been withdrawn from the squad.'"


Either way be it Smith or Gibson they could have their hands full tonight.

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Quote: thebloodbath "But the no skill zone i dont agree with at all. His strength is his power game, but he runs good lines and uses nice footwork to assist him to power through.'"


He has zero try assists this season.

Zero.

Even allowing for the inconsistencies of OPTAs statistical analysis, that's scary given one of the main jobs of a centre is to create tries for his winger.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "He has zero try assists this season.

Zero.

Even allowing for the inconsistencies of OPTAs statistical analysis, that's scary given one of the main jobs of a centre is to create tries for his winger.'"


He doesn't pass, he tries to run over defenders. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt.

Still a good player though.

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Quote: charlie "He doesn't pass, he tries to run over defenders. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt.'"


That much was obvious in the England game - I said before it that Hall wouldn't get a pass off him all night. Might work against hugely inferior opposition, but you need a lot more to your game at the very highest level.

Playing outside Atkins is a death sentence for a winger's career, you just don't see the ball.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "He has zero try assists this season.

Zero.

Even allowing for the inconsistencies of OPTAs statistical analysis, that's scary given one of the main jobs of a centre is to create tries for his winger.'"


who plays on his wing is it sideshow maybe thats why he hasnt been scoring

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Quote: Andy Gilder "He has zero try assists this season.

Zero.

Even allowing for the inconsistencies of OPTAs statistical analysis, that's scary given one of the main jobs of a centre is to create tries for his winger.'"


He'll do fine with Donald then.

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Quote: sgtwilko "If this doesn't say " for god sake come and sign me" I don't know what does!!'"


How do you make that out, he's on about a player not the club - get a grip. Tell you know Atkins is NOT Leeds bound.

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Quote: sgtwilko "If this doesn't say " for god sake come and sign me" I don't know what does!!'"


Then you don't know what does then.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "He has zero try assists this season.

Zero.

Even allowing for the inconsistencies of OPTAs statistical analysis, that's scary given one of the main jobs of a centre is to create tries for his winger.'"


On one of sky's televised games Ryan made a superb break and stepped two or three players before offloading to Luke George who scored under the posts, is that not a try assist? Therefore OPTA and their statistics have proved to be incorrect.

I don't want to be seen as pushing the case for Leeds to sign Ryan Atkins but he certainly does have decent hands but he can improve. As has already been said he has good footwork in front of the line and this helps his power game when busting tackles. You rarely see him brought to ground quickly or by one defender.

Ryan is still in his very early 20s and is IMO ahead of Ashley Gibson or any other Leeds three-quarter with the exception of Senior.

I hope he stays with Wakefield Trinity but in the long-term unless Wakefield can secure the new stadium and become contenders I don't see Ryan Atkins spending his whole career with the Wildcats.

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Atkins is rubbish anyway rather stick with what we got!!

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