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"The Golden Generation finally has its Golden Fleece! They have Wembley Cup Final winners medals to add to their collection." 23/08/2014:



Quote: Gotcha "Hull KR had 33 missed tackles. Such a good defence. Cough cough.'"


How many were in the final 20 minutes?

Didn't Leeds have a lot of missed tackles when their defence was winning praise in the year?

Don't take this wrong, but have you ever played the game??? icon_wink.gif

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Quote: The Magic Rat "
Burrow was excellent especially considering how long he has been out. Sinfield and Mcguire both had their best games for a few weeks, perhaps no coincidence that Burrow was back. Thought Mcguire showed surprisingly good pace for his try.
Sutcliffe did ok at fullback apart from the late unforced error but to often he stifles the attack. I'm sure this will improve in time.
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McGuire did seem to pick up a bit of pace that he's been lacking a bit. And Sinfield's kicking game was a lot better.
Sutcliffe seems to keep taking on the line and running in to traffic when we have a clear overlap. Did it against Huddersfield and did it in the first half when he could of just flicked it out to Watkins.

I thought our defense in the middle seemed to improve, but Hull KR didn't test it as much as other teams have. Also the team did well not to lose their cool after some decisions went against them.

A confidence builder for the team to work on and know they didn't dip when KR brought it back to 18-6.

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Quote: ThePrinter "How many were in the final 20 minutes?

Didn't Leeds have a lot of missed tackles when their defence was winning praise in the year?

Don't take this wrong, but have you ever played the game???

Oh of course they only missed them in the last 20 mins when we scored. So your saying our attack can only score when the opposition fall apart and mis tackles? Not capable of creating otherwise?

Leeds got praise in their cover defence earlier in season. Nobody hid behind the missed tackles. Are you now saying Hull KR cover defence was great?

Let's be honest here, it just comes down to a two year olds logic. Leeds score their attack is great, the best. Leeds don't score the opposition defence is great, the best.

You want to continue with you view, that's all fine for me. I just prefer realism to naivety.

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"The Golden Generation finally has its Golden Fleece! They have Wembley Cup Final winners medals to add to their collection." 23/08/2014:



Quote: Gotcha "Oh of course they only missed them in the last 20 mins when we scored.'"


Nope, I asked how many were in the final 20 mins, it's obvious that the missed tackles number will have shot up during that period no matter how much you stomp your feet about it. It was also only 5 more missed tackles than Wigan when they beat us at Magic and were roundly praised on here.

Quote: Gotcha "So your saying our attack can only score when the opposition fall apart and mis tackles? Not capable of creating otherwise?'"


Did I say this? Did I even remotely come close to saying this? Are you making stuff up in desperation?

Quote: Gotcha "Leeds got praise in their cover defence earlier in season. Nobody hid behind the missed tackles.'"


So Leeds missed tackles but defence was still consider good when everything was taken into context, yet you've tried to point to HKR's missed tackle number as sole proof of bad defence.

Quote: Gotcha "Are you now saying Hull KR cover defence was great?'"


Nope, I've never used the word great at all. What I have said is what I've posted......is there anything else you've struggled to read correctly and misinterpretated?

Quote: Gotcha "Let's be honest here, it just comes down to a two year olds logic. Leeds score their attack is great, the best. Leeds don't score the opposition defence is great, the best.'"


Oh yes more misreading on your part. Where have I labelled anything about last night in the great and best category? I remember writing it was an "improvement" and HKR defended "good" which you've desperately tried to exaggerate into me saying things were amazing.

Quite clear to anybody who read my posts properly I highlighted how the passing wasn't crisp and left too late and that we still need to improve moving forward. I've also been critical of the attack on many occasions this year (in both victory and defeat) but I've come up with something more educated than just a lazy "it was rubbish" or "this player was cr*p".

If anything that logic you claim can be spun 180.

If Leeds score, it's only because the opposition defence was rubbish,
If Leeds don't score then the opposition defence was still rubbish and it goes to show how rubbish Leeds attack is.

If Leeds don't concede many then the opposition attack was rubbish,
If Leeds do concede, then the opposition weren't really that good in attack, we were just rubbish in defence.

What's happened is that you've become so incensed that a poster simply wrote that the attack was an "improvement" on the last few games that you've gone all desperate and had to resort to claiming I said things were excellent and great........maybe the most relevant question here is.....why? Why are you truly that desperate to be negative that you misread any slight hint of positive appraisal about the club and exaggerate what the poster said?

Quote: Gotcha "In this scenario it doesn't even take anyone to have played the game to see you are wrong.'"


That a no then?

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Printer, there is no misreading. Read your own post. You have yet again made a defensive statement, without anything but your paranoid defensive opinion to back it up.

As I said it is a two year olds logic, and it happens every game. If we are poor offensive, the opposition have great defence. If we score loads, we have great offence.

Wouldn't be so bad if you actually broke it up from time to time. But same post week after week after week.

Anyway, I will just let your naive opinion ride, and respect your view.

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Printer - you said HKR's defence was impressive? you seem to be backtracking big style now?

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Printer - you said HKR's defence was impressive??'"


Yes I wrote "HKR put in an impressive defensive display for 60 mins".........maybe you want to explain that to Gotcha who seems to think I wrote HKR put in the best defensive performance ever witnessed from a team at Headingley.

Quote: Sal Paradise "you seem to be backtracking big style now? '"


Do I? How? Kept my view quite similar from the start that HKR's defence deserves credit for their showing.

Please show the backtrack? Am I now saying HKR were poor defensively? If not then I've not really backtracked have I.

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"The Golden Generation finally has its Golden Fleece! They have Wembley Cup Final winners medals to add to their collection." 23/08/2014:



Quote: Gotcha "Printer, there is no misreading. Read your own post. You have yet again made a defensive statement, without anything but your paranoid defensive opinion to back it up.'"


Really? Could've thought I mostly asked questions, ones that you've clearly not been able to answer.

How many of those missed tackles you liked to highlight were in the final 20mins again.....seem to have missed your first answer???


I know you've said it twice now, still doesn't make it any more right. Don't recall anybody including myself praising the defensive efforts on here of Wakey and Catalans in the last 2 weeks and merely focusing on our lack of creativity on attack......in fact I wrote how lucky we were that Catalans came up with some shocking defence of their own in that game and for Ablett to score was criminal defence with 5 guys around him.

Quote: Gotcha "Wouldn't be so bad if you actually broke it up from time to time. But same post week after week after week.'"


Really? Must've missed the last few weeks when I was one of those who called for an attacking coach to be brought in to freshen up the ideas in attack. Or when I've said Sutcliffe doesn't look like a HB to me, or when I've criticised Moon for the times he's not created enough space for his winger, or BJB not being good enough at FB, or just the other day saying Delaney shouldn't play 2nd row due to his passing in attack........pretty strange thing to do when allegedly according to yourself I think our attack is fantastic and is only denied by world class defence.....hmmmmm. Like I said, misreading indeed.

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I'd say Rovers' defence was committed. In all honesty, they leaked too many tries for it to be classed as anything more. That's not to say there were no positives though - commitment in defence has been enough to beat us more than once this season.

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i think we just wore them down in the end. we moved the big guys around and this is the reason most missed tackles were in the last 20 minutes

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It was the most drunk ive ever been at a game.

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i slept through the 04 challange cup final. newcastle brown at 5-30am!

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That's some good going tad. Brown is awful though!

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I thought that Lovegrove's injury was a major contributory factor to HKR's defence imploding in the last 20 minutes especially since it was such a warm night. It meant that they lost a forward interchange which was critical IMV.

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thought they lost two forwards? thought at the time that might tell

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