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| Quote: brook40 "Pity for you that there is video and photographic proof that first contact ( and that's what the mvp look at ) that both feet are on the floor and contact is shoulder and chest.'"
Pity for me? look it matters not a jot, Saints could play with 10 men on Friday and wed still get walloped.
I called it as I saw it and to me it looked a bad one, the MRP disagree and their opinion is what counts.
I hope there’s consistency going forward.
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| Watching it on tv it looked pretty bad.
Watching back on reply it looks like the first contact was chest and then head.
Don`t think it warranted a red card, yellow at the most.
The late hit/push in the back on Griffin from Lees looked worse to me.
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| I agree that it looked far worse when viewing live than on the replay. It could be argued that it was accidently reckless, but not intentionally.
He did put in a few other careless tackles throughout the game though, and should be instructed by the club to keep his tackling in check before he does hurt somebody.
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| Quote: christopher "Pity for me? look it matters not a jot, Saints could play with 10 men on Friday and wed still get walloped.
I called it as I saw it and to me it looked a bad one, the MRP disagree and their opinion is what counts.
I hope there’s consistency going forward.'"
The concept of ‘consistency’ does not exist, as humans involved and interpretation of individual incident will be different each time.
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| Quote: Shabino "The concept of ‘consistency’ does not exist, as humans involved and interpretation of individual incident will be different each time.'"
Consistency comes from applying the same reasoning, judgement and decision based on like criteria. For total transparency, that criteria, and the decisions that flow from that, should be made public in advance I.e. this is what the MRP will consider in any given case and these are the sanctions that will apply if those criteria are met.
It's simply not good enough to say it was x and y after the event and therefore we've decided z.
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| Quote: christopher "If we’re serious about head injuries then direct contact to the head like that should be punished.'"
It seems you don’t understand what the word “direct” means, as it was not direct contact to the head… it was indirect, due to coming up off the shoulder
Never a ban. Hoping we get far less bans this year than last in general. Last year was a proper farce. And to be fair the disciplinary can’t really afford to go on as they were anyway, Saints drained them of any and all credibility with numerous successful appeals and then the Knowles fiasco so they’ve got to change something. Seems like they’re making an effort to give fines as a deterrence rather than bans for minor incidents this year
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| Quote: Leeds_Luke "I agree that it looked far worse when viewing live than on the replay. It could be argued that it was accidently reckless, but not intentionally.
He did put in a few other careless tackles throughout the game though, and should be instructed by the club to keep his tackling in check before he does hurt somebody.'"
And how did that conversation go when it was had with Bentley and Tetavano ?
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| Quote: The Reaper "It seems you don’t understand what the word “direct” means, as it was not direct contact to the head… it was indirect, due to coming up off the shoulder
Never a ban. Hoping we get far less bans this year than last in general. Last year was a proper farce. And to be fair the disciplinary can’t really afford to go on as they were anyway, Saints drained them of any and all credibility with numerous successful appeals and then the Knowles fiasco so they’ve got to change something. Seems like they’re making an effort to give fines as a deterrence rather than bans for minor incidents this year'"
I posted it after watching the game live on TV that was my opinion at the time, im perfectly happy with letting the MRP who rewatch it in slow motion and from all angles to make their decision based on that.
That ok?
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| As fans we need to stop calling for bans and cards. We ask these bloke to play the game at 200mph. We bring fresh, 18 stone blokes off the bench, then complain about some mistimed tackles. We don’t have to end up like footy fans…..
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| Hopefully we're seeing signs that last year's nonsense is gone. It was a knee-jerk reaction to fears of litigation down the track, which if continued would have turned the sport into a complete lottery without doing anything about the actual risks.
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| Quote: The Reaper "It seems you don’t understand what the word “direct” means, as it was not direct contact to the head… it was indirect, due to coming up off the shoulder
Never a ban. Hoping we get far less bans this year than last in general. Last year was a proper farce. And to be fair the disciplinary can’t really afford to go on as they were anyway, Saints drained them of any and all credibility with numerous successful appeals and then the Knowles fiasco so they’ve got to change something. Seems like they’re making an effort to give fines as a deterrence rather than bans for minor incidents this year'"
I agree with this.
Any successful appeal by any club simply exposes the incompetence of the MRP.
Hopefully they've learnt from that and will apply some common sense this year - but I'll not hold my breath.
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| Quote: brook40 "And how did that conversation go when it was had with Bentley and Tetavano ?
Tbf in Bentleys case it worked and his technique did improve.
Wrt Tetavano the guy doesn`t learn.
I would also suggest Knowles is a tackle away from getting banned.
But I do like his aggression in the tackle so no real complaints from me.
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| Quote: chapylad "Tbf in Bentleys case it worked and his technique did improve.
Wrt Tetavano the guy doesn`t learn.
I would also suggest Knowles is a tackle away from getting banned.
But I do like his aggression in the tackle so no real complaints from me.'"
It's a fine line to walk,you need the aggression,but you also need restraint. It seems there has been a change in how the mvp view tackles this year,everyone agreed last year was a farce.
Anyway good luck for the rest of the season ( apart from when you play us )
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| Quote: brook40 "It's a fine line to walk,you need the aggression,but you also need restraint. It seems there has been a change in how the mvp view tackles this year,everyone agreed last year was a farce.
Anyway good luck for the rest of the season ( apart from when you play us )'"
We might need all the luck we can get mate.
I agree and let`s hope we get some consistency this year.
Whilst i fully understand the need to protect players I do think some of the bans last year were ridiculous.
For me the only bans should come for serious foul play and if the ref has missed a trip on a player for instance then so be it.
Don`t ban that player after the game has been reviewed imo.
I also think that for other offences there should be some sort of points given and once you reach say 10 you miss a game or 2.
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| Only 1400 tickets left for Friday looks to be a sell out!!!!!
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