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Quote: Gotcha "Are you kidding or something, just to defend him? We are higher than our oppossition each game for metres made from the pack. Have you seen how many times this lad continually runs into the defence and takes the tackle? surely you are not suggesting the pack are at fault for that? Many times we have an overlap and he chooses not to pass. His tackling on top of this is absolutely woeful. I suggest you watch him personally next time.'"


I think the pivots as a group aren't firing at the moment. Against Castleford Sutcliffe was screaming for the ball on the 5th and Falloon went down the short side with nothing on and he did the exact same thing yesterday when Burrow was calling for it to go for the winning drop goal.

Burrow and Sutcliffe are both too prone to running when it isn't on and aren't organising our attack leading our forwards to not run any viable lines to create time and space.

Hardaker looks like he is trying too hard. He isn't an extraordinary ball player but keeps getting involved in our last tackle plays and putting in ineffectual kicks. His passing is also poor but he's not getting much to work with to be fair.

They as a group need to sit down and work out who should be doing what because right now our attacking shape is a complete mess and it is costing us massively.

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Sutcliffe needs to stand slightly deeper IMO. He should also hold back on the dropping the shoulder and throwing the dummy close to the line and instead use it further out when defenders are more likely to be moving laterally and the line less straight. That way some of those almost moments could well be transformed into line breaks. My view that he'll develop into a really good player remains unchanged. Brough OTOH would be a huge gambler.

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Oops, meant to say gamble.

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Is this the same as how Brierly was on his way too? icon_wink.gif

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Quote: 100% Wire "Is this the same as how Brierly was on his way too?
Can but hope.

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The halves aren't playing well. They're not creating AND they're not leading and directing. This can somewhat be understood from young halves but is very disappointing from Burrow.

I also agree that Sutcliffe takes the ball in too often instead of passing. However, I think a significant part of the blame for this lies in the lack of runners the halves have to choose to pass to. Most of the time our lack of runners are giving our halves only 2 options:
1 - a simple pass to an already marked player who isn't going particularly fast or running a particularly good line.
2 - take the ball in themselves.

Our outside runners are few in number, running poor/non-existent lines and not going fast enough.

Whilst the halves are currently poor we aren't giving them any options.

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Quote: Stevosfalseteeth "Any Leeds fan who says they wouldn't have Brough at Leeds right now is insane. He is just what we need!'"




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Brough would be a great signing for you without a doubt
Although it wouldn't be a popular one icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Him "The halves aren't playing well. They're not creating AND they're not leading and directing. This can somewhat be understood from young halves but is very disappointing from Burrow.

I also agree that Sutcliffe takes the ball in too often instead of passing. However, I think a significant part of the blame for this lies in the lack of runners the halves have to choose to pass to. Most of the time our lack of runners are giving our halves only 2 options

I think there is something in this. Our style of play, where the line is flat and the early receivers all get the ball standing still must make trying to create very hard work when a team has no real go forward or quick PTB. Because no runners are coming onto the ball the tendency of a ball player will be to either keep it rather than give a hospital pass or go sideways.

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Quote: RHINO-MARK "Our problems are much bigger than a young HB still learning in a team struggling for confidence ,structure ,Leadership and a Coaching set up who have been exposed now their "go to get out of jail plan" of JP kicking off and Sinfields on field nous has gone!
As for your erection for Brough how's he doing this year at the Giants?'"


Not buying that bull. Sutcliffe has been pinpointed as Sinfield's successor. He's failed badly. Yet the coach picks him week after week. You believe Brough wouldn't do a better job? You're on your own.

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Can't remember a game when any leeds forward ran an attacking line never mind a dummy run line ,that's why we can't create space for Watkins and he gets clattered every time he gets the ball.

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The earliest ball Watkins gets is when he has to drive it in on 2nd tackle after a deep kick from opposition. Last year, when Aiton went crabbing right he got Watkins into space but with our current struggles he and moon end up doing prop like drives

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Totally agree but why do we try to play the same systems week after week when clearly it's not working . We must have the best attacking centres in superleague one of the best wide runners and ball handlers in ferres but these type of players are getting destroyed by using them as prop forwards.Surely the coaching staff and players have a big enough skill set to alter the systems,or have they?

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Quote: Loiner1968 "Can't remember a game when any leeds forward ran an attacking line never mind a dummy run line ,that's why we can't create space for Watkins and he gets clattered every time he gets the ball.'"


There was a point on Moday when Sutcliffe was shouting at Garbutt and Cuthbertson and gesturing them to step back to make their movements more of an option and neither of them moved, when he got the ball the defence were already in his face.
There was another moment vs Cas when we broke and Sutcliffe was calling for it open (probably looking to put in a crossfield kick as he did vs Saints last year) but the ball went blind where the defence had already numbered up.

The problems are not solely in the halves (though they need to be more aware of the tackle count)
If that had happened to danny brough hed be likely to start fight with his own team mates!

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Interesting that the Roosters are having the same problem with young halfbacks - who after the WCC were being lauded as being of a standard SL can't produce, and yet now are both shot. Similarly they seem to be waiting for their experienced halfback to return (Pearce).

If we're being honest here the problem at halfback isn't Sutcliffe or Lilley, its Burrow. In McGuire's absence he should have been able to step up and take over responsibility for running the team. As it is he's been found wanting and dumped back to bench hooker.

Lilley and Sutcliffe simply don't have years of experience to draw on to be able to grind out performances when the team is down. What you'd expect to see is them giving cameos of increasing length as the season progresses. Dumping them in at the deep end when others are clearly out of form is a massive ask.

FWIW I still think Sutcliffe could well be the part in the long-term, so long as he can learn his trade alongside a decent partner.

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