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Quote: Once were Loiners "Its rubbish defence whichever way you look at it. Nice offload but he should have been put on his arris regardless of which forwards were tackling. The offload for the last (?) try with three tacklers was just as bad.

Having said that I agree entirely that we need both more speed out wide and more size up front. Too many plodders in our squad, both backs and forwards.'"

Mango’s a huge bloke. Think it was a pretty powerful and skill full play…..

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Quote: Exeter Rhino "I don't think we need another luxury player who does low minutes. .'"

It`s not harmed Saints and Cats having those sort of players though.
Wigan and Hull the same.
One more player like that and our backline would flourish.
Now if we could offload Bodene and take French off Wigans hands that would help.

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Quote: chapylad "It`s not harmed Saints and Cats having those sort of players though.
Wigan and Hull the same.
One more player like that and our backline would flourish.
Now if we could offload Bodene and take French off Wigans hands that would help.'"

Dream on!

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I disagree regarding Kasiano / Paasi. They are exactly the sort of player we want, a high impact player coming off the bench to give breathers to our front line who are of slightly different mould. Currently when Oledzki, Prior, Tetevano get replaced the pack is substantially weakened whereas with Kasiano / Paasi it would strengthen us when our front line require a rest. Replacing Oledzki for Thompson or Donaldson substantially weakens us.

Regarding backs, I am hoping having a fit Handley, Newman, Fusitua and Myler with Broadbent possibly taking our other centre spot could improve us a lot. Fusitua has looked very impressive from the little I have seen so far.

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Quote: rugbyleague88 "I disagree regarding Kasiano / Paasi. They are exactly the sort of player we want, a high impact player coming off the bench to give breathers to our front line who are of slightly different mould. Currently when Oledzki, Prior, Tetevano get replaced the pack is substantially weakened whereas with Kasiano / Paasi it would strengthen us when our front line require a rest. Replacing Oledzki for Thompson or Donaldson substantially weakens us.

Regarding backs, I am hoping having a fit Handley, Newman, Fusitua and Myler with Broadbent possibly taking our other centre spot could improve us a lot. Fusitua has looked very impressive from the little I have seen so far.'"


So far this season our first rotation has been Mik coming on. In an ideal world we would have Prior and Mik starting with Tetevano and Holroyd coming from the bench. In terms of a rotation I think that is pretty good. Issue obviously keeping them all fit. I think we need another prop, probably two. One an experienced overseas prop who replaces Thompson and a younger prop as the sixth option replacing Donaldson/Mustapha.

I think that will probably happen next year but it isn’t going to happen this year and never was so we just need to get on with it and use what we have.

We cannot carry 6 top quality props in a squad with a salary cap.

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We are 2 games in thats all. We need to improve dramatically on last week but lets be honest we all know we are better than that performance.

Newman and Fusitua will both improve the backline dramatically. We need a fully fit Mikolaj in that pack.

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I don't think anyone is suggesting we could have 6 top flight props. But 4 decent ones plus a couple of others who are actual props rather than second rowers isn't impossible. I certainly don't believe that King last year or retaining Thompson this year were the only options available at a decent price for a short-term contract had we made additional props a priority.

Recruitment and selection since Agar took over suggests he simply doesn't believe as much as I do in prop-sized props. He seems to believe in 'middles' filling in around a couple of props. I'm still not clear what a 'middle' is, but it seems to be something like an undersized prop who can play second row.

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Quote: Once were Loiners "I don't think anyone is suggesting we could have 6 top flight props. But 4 decent ones plus a couple of others who are actual props rather than second rowers isn't impossible. I certainly don't believe that King last year or retaining Thompson this year were the only options available at a decent price for a short-term contract had we made additional props a priority.

Recruitment and selection since Agar took over suggests he simply doesn't believe as much as I do in prop-sized props. He seems to believe in 'middles' filling in around a couple of props. I'm still not clear what a 'middle' is, but it seems to be something like an undersized prop who can play second row.'"


Think it means a player who can fill in when you have no other prop options l, due to inability to get enough squad balance, and the usual bad luck..

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A 'middle' is a player with limited attributes to play prop and limited attributes to play back row, but all of the attributes required to play in the championship.

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Quote: Seth "A 'middle' is a player with limited attributes to play prop and limited attributes to play back row, but all of the attributes required to play in the championship.'"

Now that made me laugh.

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Quote: Seth "A 'middle' is a player with limited attributes to play prop and limited attributes to play back row, but all of the attributes required to play in the championship.'"

That def beats my definition…..

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After agars half time confession last week it does bother me that he's hanging on this message of it being a 'short turnaround' and 'not much time to fix things up'. Is anything less than 7 days worthy of getting an excuse in early when the opposition have travelled and on a day less?

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Agree Seth getting his excuses in early.
On another note Myler out for 10 weeks so back mid May.
Was there any mention of Fusitua`s absence tonight?

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Quote: Seth "After agars half time confession last week it does bother me that he's hanging on this message of it being a 'short turnaround' and 'not much time to fix things up'. Is anything less than 7 days worthy of getting an excuse in early when the opposition have travelled and on a day less?'"


If you're talking about his presser he said that both sides were on a short turnaround, and didn't really dwell on that point (I also don't remember him saying not much time to fix things up but could be wrong on that). Didn't sound like any sort of excuses to me.

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Was there any mention of Fusitua`s absence tonight?'"


Yes, he said he just wasn't quite right but wouldn't go into details. Said both him, Newman and Martin should be in contention for Wakefield.

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