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Quote: G1 "Really?

fair enough. I'd have thought seeing the way he performed against your lot in last years and the 07 Grand Final you;d be more appreciative of his talents but hey ho.'"


Orford didn't have that opportunity, but he performed pretty well in a 40-0 thrashing of a salary-cap busting Melbourne team in a Grand Final.

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Quote: Gotcha "I think Leeds would be a better team with a player like Dobson than a player like Burrow. He has many skills that Burrow doesn't. Likewise Burrow offers a lot that Dobson can't. Would I have swapped the Burrow of 2003-2007? no I wouldn't, but this Burrow is not having the same effect.
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Asdie from playing a blinder Sunday, playing a blinder in the win at Hull the week before and getting MOM in the game at Cas before that you have a point about Burrow.

No, really.

Quote: Gotcha "In an argument for Donald been a success you used the dream team picking as proof. Are you saying that because we have proven an aussie scrumhalf as a success, that the dream team is irrelevant now?'"
Donald has also played in and won 3 GFs

HTH

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Quote: G1 "Asdie from playing a blinder Sunday, playing a blinder in the win at Hull the week before and getting MOM in the game at Cas before that you have a point about Burrow'"


All as usual in your opinion.

Of most relevance would be would Hull KR be as good with Burrow instead of Dobson. I'll leave that to the Hull KR fans to pish themselves with laughter.


Quote: G1 "Donald has also played in and won 3 GFs

HTH'"


Which brings me back to the point on the other page, about players been lucky to play in a challenging team. Does it make them better individually? does it b0ll0cks. You can still be a success (ala Dobson) without winning trophies, only a bandwaggoner would not be able to differentiate between them.

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Quote: G1 "Donald has also played in and won 3 GFs

HTH'"


Ricky Bibey has two Challenge Cup winners medals.

Ergo he's twice the player Barrie McDermott was.

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Quote: FearTheVee "Orford didn't have that opportunity, but he performed pretty well in a 40-0 thrashing of a salary-cap busting Melbourne team in a Grand Final.'"


And in the 2009 WCC against......... Rob Burrow! (although tbf Burrow wasnt able to play much of a part in that game). Just because our 6 & 7 have done the business for us for the last 6 years doesn't mean they're indestructable. Another half-back (not necessarily antipodean) would make a big difference to us. Burrow starting from the bench would also stop us needing 2 hookers in the team - but that's another story icon_smile.gif

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Worrying times indeed.......I agree with Gocha

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Quote: Andy Gilder "Ricky Bibey has two Challenge Cup winners medals.

Ergo he's twice the player Barrie McDermott was.'"


Why does Ricky Bibey always get dragged up when someone try's to prove this point?

And if you want to compare him to McDermott why not also mention The GF win ,league leaders shield, WCC, 40ish rep honours, not dropping to the championship at what should be the peak of your career?

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Quote: Tony Soprano "Why does Ricky Bibey always get dragged up when someone try's to prove this point?

And if you want to compare him to McDermott why not also mention The GF win ,league leaders shield, WCC, 40ish rep honours, not dropping to the championship at what should be the peak of your career?'"


Because people (in this case G1) insist on using winner's medals as an example of how good a player is.

Bibey (although you could also use Scott Naylor or Billy McGinty from Wigan's glory years) is the perfect example of how ridiculous that statement is.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "Bibey (although you could also use Scott Naylor or Billy McGinty from Wigan's glory years) is the perfect example of how ridiculous that statement is.'"


That point there is a good example of what I was saying on this thread.

Plenty of trash players have been lucky enough to play for good trophy challenging teams. And then on leaving have been shown up as the player they truely are.

So if a player is putting in good and consistent performances in a lesser team, surely that would be an indicator of been successfull regardless of not winning trophies.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "Because people (in this case G1) insist on using winner's medals as an example of how good a player is.

Bibey (although you could also use Scott Naylor or Billy McGinty from Wigan's glory years) is the perfect example of how ridiculous that statement is.'"


But wouldn't you agree that they have deserved their medals in serving the first team of a very successful squad for many years rather than IMO just being in the right place at the right time like Bibey?

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Quote: Tony Soprano "But wouldn't you agree that they have deserved their medals in serving the first team of a very successful squad for many years rather than IMO just being in the right place at the right time like Bibey?'"



But Warrington have just won the CC for two years on the trot. Are players like, Riley, Vinny Anderson, Louis Anderson, Clarke, and Higham, really proven quality? would you really have had any of those in the Leeds team for example?

Only last year many posters on here were moaning about the potential of signing Atkins. He's just won a CC, therefore a medal to his name.

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Quote: Tony Soprano "But wouldn't you agree that they have deserved their medals in serving the first team of a very successful squad for many years rather than IMO just being in the right place at the right time like Bibey?'"


Arguably Scott Donald was "right place, right time". Would Leeds have been any less successful with Lee Smith on the right wing 2007-09 for example?

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Quote: Andy Gilder "Arguably Scott Donald was "right place, right time". Would Leeds have been any less successful with Lee Smith on the right wing 2007-09 for example?'"


I think we would have been just fine with Smith but I also think Donald contributed towards Leeds success.


To be honest I don't think this is going anywhere, It's just the Ricky Bibey thing that's getting a bit boring for me know, He must be used as an example on every forum at least one a week.

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Add to that Ian Kirke, who G1 has lambasted for most of the season. Infinitely better player than someone Sam Burgess. In the days of the salary cap the number of medals a player has is not a mark of their quality

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Perhaps when Sinfield is ready to retire Leeds will revert to the more traditional scrum half role, 1st receiver, organiser, tactical kicker. The type of scrum half typified by a Michael Dobson type.

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