What a load of tosh. Check the other matches this season and you will find that we have been the most penalised team.
There is no consistency with the refereeing decisions. You cannot tell me that a team can play 70 minutes and only make one penalty error because I don't believe it.
Look at most play the balls and the defenders are not marking square. When defending on the line it is an extremely rare occurrence when a player has both feet behind the line. Most of the time it is whether the referee feels inclined to give a penalty not that an infringement has occurred. How many times do you hear a referee tell a player about an infringement whilst letting play to continue. I know if they blew every time there would be hardly any play but they don't all sing from the same hymn sheet. One ref watches for offside at the play the ball, another for laying on in the tackle and Ganson doesn't like dissent. I am not condoning talking back to the ref but the worst case (and it has never been penalised since) was when Burrow held his hands out appealing because the opposition was holding down.

You've totally missed the point!!!
Don't forget WE won!!
The argument is about consistent decisions both for and against you'll see there are many posts admitting our poor discipline and we expect to be picked up on it but it has to be the same for both teams in every match and it isn't.

The bottom line to me is that Leeds do bend the rules as do every club, but it appears refs espically Ganson only seem to see thoughts by Leeds. There is a clear issue with Ganson dating back to the game against Saint the club he supports and the sending off. His bad refing of the Semi when it was open season on Burrows. This matter has to be dealt with, its in the players mind they do not get a fair rub of the green with Ganson. Whats the betting he refs the Leeds Saints game

It doesn’t really matter if Ganson does or does not consciously side against Leeds when he officiates our games. It’s the perception of our players.

As has already been alluded to in previous posts, if the players think that the ref if going to be biased towards their opponents it outs then it puts them off kilter from the start.

Are you seriously suggesting that your players go in to games that Ganson refs expecting him to be biased against them and this puts them off their game?

Comedy gold, do keep it up!

Im not saying they do here but IMO I wouldnt know what would be awarded against them or not

however I suspect most teams do that with all the refs

Ganson troubles me on many levels one of which I commented on as he ran out in front of the cameras.

He apears to think he is a celebrity and was laughing and waving to the crowd as he ran out yeasterday. I said oh oh trouble here.

He seems to want to put on a show and this is enhanced when ever he is on the telly.

He is a card carrying member and supporter of a current SL team.

He is allowed to control games involving his hometown club

He appears to me to invent rules that dont exist

He lacks consistency on the discipline front which only confuses and frustrates players...and not just the leeds players either.

The two points in bold don't worry me.

Completely agree with the rest though but I don't think its anything new with Ganson though possibly getting worse.

my point about the two items highlighted is that bit leaves him open to the "accusation" of bias....

and whether guilty or not is irrelevant IMHO

it damages the game as a whloe and brings the status of referees impartiality into disripute.

I cant recall any other individual being allowed to do this.

Fair point. I don't think he's biased in his interpretations but I guess its not just about being clean its being seen to be clean.

Someone has already said you've missed the point.
Frankly, I think that Wakefield were badly done to and, with a different ref, might have won.

Starting with the "obstruction" which wasn't obstruction(*) or crossing, he gave a series of penalties to Leeds which we simply didn't deserve. The only reasons I can think of are ... a) He makes up his own rules ... or b) He was evening-up the penalty count.

(*)The "obstructing" player was motionless, hence it can't be obstruction.

The best way to avoid arguments about officials' decisions in sport is to, as much as posible, take them out of the game. For example, in boxing there's no controversy over judges' scoring if one bloke knocks the other spark out. In cricket, there can be no arguments about lbw decisions if you knock someone's middle stump clean out of the gound.

Similarly here, if you take Ganson out of the game as much as possible, there can be no arguments about whether he is biased or not. Best way of taking him out of the game? Get off the bloke you've just tackled asap, don't talk back to Ganson or give him any excuse to think that you're taking the p*ss, and don't do head high tackles - simple. All this stuff about inconsistency is fair enough, but we should be concerning ourselves far more with the things we're doing that get penalised, and not concerning ourselves with what the other team is doing and whether or not it's getting penalised, as there's nothing we can do to affect that. We CAN affect whether or not we get penalised.

Obviously, there are always going to be cases where a tackled player buys a penalty by preventing the tackler from getting up (as with Webb on Friday), and there's always going to be situations where a player mistimes a tackle and ends up going head high unintentionally. However, there are many aspects of our game at the moment which could be cut out, and if we did that, in order to continue hammering us in the penalty count Ganson really would have to start penalising us stupidly, and we would then have a cast iron case against him. At the moment, our tactics make it easy for referees to hammer us.

On a further note, all that complaining by players and abuse from fans is going to do is p*ss the referee off more. What will happen then is something's going to happen where the ref has a 50/50 call to make - he could feasibly go either way. What call's he going to make when he's had various players from one team giving him grief throughout the game, and thousands of their fans calling him a w*nker? I'm not saying it's right, but it's basic human nature, and I know what I'd probably do in that situation. We can moan all we like about referee bias, but the hand that holds the whilstle is the hand that rules the game - play the game right, and there's little the ref can do. Play it wrong (as leeds unfortunately do on a regular basis), and you leave yourself wide open to being regularly penalised. basic common sense really....

(Oh, and for the record, I'm not defending Ganson, I dislike him as much as the next person, but Leeds make it very easy for him to penalise them into the ground!)

I doubt many coaches would tell their players to get off the tackled player immediately upon every completed tackle. They'd ship a heck of a lot of points doing that.

Very true, so perhaps "immediately" is a bit too OTT. However, you need to know your referees - if there's someone officiating who you know doesn't need a 2nd invitation to penalise you, you need to be a hell of a lot quicker in getting up than Leeds are at times - virtually every match at the moment, from a very early point, I find myself expecting the ref to penalise us for this, because we are so damn blatant with it at times!

Absolutely. The strategy is always to push the laws to the limit to gain the maximum advantage. As long as there's RL there will be lying on at the PTB and teams pushing the offside line. This leaves refs having to make fine judgement calls about what is allowable and what isn't. It's very tough for them, and for the players when they can't see consistancy for both sides.