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Quote: Eccleshill Rhino "Interest in RL had reached a real low during the Wigan era - that is bad for business - nobody wants a foregone conclusion - I personally think GH would make a great bossman for RL his love for the game in unparralled in the UK.

I never once said he did not want Leeds to be successful - winning everything would give a certain success on the field but not to the business as a whole.

Why do Leeds have Cummins, Poaching, McDermott on the coaching staff because they are the best available - no because GH is loyal to those that have been loyal to him - is that long term proposition? not sure I would want McDermott in charge of some of my most valuable commidities!!!

If you were Alex Ferguson do you think he would have Beckham in charge of youth development or an experienced coach/manger with a proved track record?

If Leeds win the comp reasonably regularly then that is a good thing winning it every year is not. Unless he failed to learn from his mistakes - and he doesn't seem like that to me - why would he commit the same error as 2004?'"
David Cummins has now been a number 2 for several years if he wasn't up to the jobI'm sure he'd have been moved on as I'm sure Poching and McDermott will be also if they prove they are not up to it also.
Who would you have as the number 2 ?

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Quote: Eccleshill Rhino "Interest in RL had reached a real low during the Wigan era - that is bad for business - '"


I don't think that's correct. The late 70's and early 80's were dire in regards to gate numbers. They were in growth all during the late 80's and early 90's. We were also very competitive internationaly and really should have beaten the Aussies in 90 and 92.
As an emblem for the game nationaly Wigan lifted the profile of League and did a lot for the product (which is good for everybody). I was extremely proud of my sport when Wigan turned up to the Middlesex Sevens and destroyed everyone in spectacular fashion. They helped trnasform the image of League and set things up for Superleague.
I don't want a situation where there is no salary cap as some clubs (including ours) got in the poop trying to spend as much as Wigan, but could a period of 3-4 years of near total Leeds dominance be bad for the game? I think not. I don't think it's possible due to the cap but I can't see how it could hurt the game agt all.

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When we move the ball we look ok, We are playing a lot down middle and nowhere near as expansive as before , We are also giving away far too many penalties away

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Quote: fanstanningley "David Cummins has now been a number 2 for several years if he wasn't up to the jobI'm sure he'd have been moved on as I'm sure Poching and McDermott will be also if they prove they are not up to it also.
Who would you have as the number 2 ?'"


We must agree to differ

A young coach from Australia who has seen the Aussies coaching methodology and conditioning techniques who can bring some new ideas who would be less familiar with the players - in the past that would have been a Jason Taylor or Steven Kearney.

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Quote: Eccleshill Rhino "
A young coach from Australia '"


Ah, an Australian. Because nobody in this country would have a clue how they train down under.

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Quote: Eccleshill Rhino "We must agree to differ

A young coach from Australia who has seen the Aussies coaching methodology and conditioning techniques who can bring some new ideas who would be less familiar with the players - in the past that would have been a Jason Taylor or Steven Kearney.'"
Don't you think a number 2 should be the one who is famiiar with the players because I do?

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Quote: LEEDSLEADS. "I think Eccleshill Rhino is correct, we need to break up the team, just like Alex Ferguson sold Giggs, O'Shea, Gary Neville, Paul Scholes etc. Like Saints sold Cunningham, Long, Wellens, Gardner, Roby etc.

For us to be successful again lets sell Webb, Smith, McGuire, Burrow & Sinfield.

The very least Sinfield deserves for his recent games not being played to his usual high standard is to be stripped of the captaincy - just to restore his confidence.'"


So the team Ferguson had when he first won the title included the likes of Beckham, Giggs etc not it didn't, how many of the Beckham Giggs are still playing 2/3 Ferguson has had 4 different sides since his time at Man U look at the serious players he has moved on - Stamp, Cole, Beckham, Butt the goal scorer they sold to Real Madrid can't remember his name etc etc

For us to be successful again lets standstill do nothing - whilst other clubs pass us by - why not good plan that!!

So if Sinfield continues his poor form you keep selecting him and let he be captain - great stuff!!!

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Quote: Eccleshill Rhino "So the team Ferguson had when he first won the title included the likes of Beckham, Giggs etc not it didn't, how many of the Beckham Giggs are still playing 2/3 Ferguson has had 4 different sides since his time at Man U look at the serious players he has moved on - Stamp, Cole, Beckham, Butt the goal scorer they sold to Real Madrid can't remember his name etc etc

For us to be successful again lets standstill do nothing - whilst other clubs pass us by - why not good plan that!!

So if Sinfield continues his poor form you keep selecting him and let what is left of his confidence get smashed out of him - go stuff!!!'"


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Quote: Dave Heron's Moustache "Ah, an Australian. Because nobody in this country would have a clue how they train down under.'"


If they did our players would be as fit and strong as the Australians something which has been proved not to be the case for many years now - so it would appear we do lack the knowledge of how to prepare our players correctly both physically and technically. Only a fool would suggest the training methods in SL are anywhere near the level in the NRL.

You saw the world cup do you honestly believe we are anywhere near the level of the Aussies or the Kiwis?

Look at the 2 most successful coaches in recent SL history where did they come from GB - how many British coaches have won a GF - 2 how many Aussies/Kiwis!!!

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Quote: fanstanningley "Don't you think a number 2 should be the one who is famiiar with the players because I do?'"


No not at all - the coaches should coach and the players play if you blur that you have problems. Reserve grade coaching is a different matter then I would agree with you because that is about identifying those with potential and nuturing them to their potential.

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Quote: joshua102 "We are also giving away far too many penalties away'"


Gave away less than Salford did yesterday and still couldn't beat the City Slickers.

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Quote: Eccleshill Rhino "Look at the 2 most successful coaches in recent SL history where did they come from GB - how many British coaches have won a GF - 2 how many Aussies/Kiwis!!!'"


Aussie / Kiwis = 7

GB = 4

Up until the last three seasons it was 4 a piece.

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Quote: tvoc "Aussie / Kiwis

The standard of British coaches is the equivilent of the standard of the British game - poor.

Maybe this goes to show why a coach roundly accepted as been tactically naive in the NRL has ripped it up in ESL, yes step forward Nathan Brown.

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Quote: tvoc "Gave away less than Salford did yesterday and still couldn't beat the City Slickers.'"


True but my point was about OUR conceeded penalties mate, Far too many and then leads to threads about poor refs etc, Sure Smith had a fine policy for giving away penalties ( could be wrong )

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Quote: Eccleshill Rhino "If they did our players would be as fit and strong as the Australians something which has been proved not to be the case for many years now - so it would appear we do lack the knowledge of how to prepare our players correctly both physically and technically. Only a fool would suggest the training methods in SL are anywhere near the level in the NRL.

You saw the world cup do you honestly believe we are anywhere near the level of the Aussies or the Kiwis?

Look at the 2 most successful coaches in recent SL history where did they come from GB - how many British coaches have won a GF - 2 how many Aussies/Kiwis!!!'"


Just to point out the small logic slip amidst all that pontificating there - Bluey is from where?
So why do we need to sack three guys who are obviously doing the job their employers want just employ a f******g Australian of some description.

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