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Quote: Barrie’s Glass Eye "McDonnell has been good but I’d want him to back his form up for a bit this year. We are loaded in the back row and it’ll be interested to see which way we go. McDonnell, Bentley, Martin, Gannon all vying for two spots.

For me McDonnell and Martin start.

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I don’t see us regularly carrying another back row on the bench when everyone is fit.'"



Martin is arguably best goal kicker in the league so always starts and plays mainly 80 minutes, but I suspect he will spell st centre with Roberts and Simpson for when Newman is inevitably injured or banned. McDonnell head and shoulders better than Bentley, Gannon needs time to develop a bit more after hardly playing last season, so comes of the bench. Bentley for me would be first choice 17, but I wouldn’t have resigned him full stop. Ruane in the mix as well we are stacked in back row

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What's this guy like?

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Quote: Barrie’s Glass Eye "McDonnell has been good but I’d want him to back his form up for a bit this year. We are loaded in the back row and it’ll be interested to see which way we go. McDonnell, Bentley, Martin, Gannon all vying for two spots.

For me McDonnell and Martin start.

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I don’t see us regularly carrying another back row on the bench when everyone is fit.'"


I think that's true but concussion is a bit of an occupational hazard for back rowers and these days the club is reluctant to rush them back. We might just be glad of that depth.

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Not sure I would pair Newman and Handley together. Neither likes to stay in the defensive line. Always looking for the interception or to solve a problem that isn't there.

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I really can't make my mind up on Newman. He is an exciting player to watch and has X-factor, which you can't really coach. We need players who can break a game and do something special at Leeds, and he is one.

On the other hand his arguing with Holroyd (not wise), referees and fans drives me crazy. That attitude stinks, even if I've heard RS try to spin it.

He really hasn't done enough in the game by a country mile to be as cocky as he seems to be - and if he had contributed more he should be humble about it like previous greats have been. RS says the squad loves Harry and this and that but... if he was chelping off at me on the pitch like he seems to enjoy, I'd not be taking it.

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Quote: KaeruJim "I really can't make my mind up on Newman. He is an exciting player to watch and has X-factor, which you can't really coach. We need players who can break a game and do something special at Leeds, and he is one.

On the other hand his arguing with Holroyd (not wise), referees and fans drives me crazy. That attitude stinks, even if I've heard RS try to spin it.

He really hasn't done enough in the game by a country mile to be as cocky as he seems to be - and if he had contributed more he should be humble about it like previous greats have been. RS says the squad loves Harry and this and that but... if he was chelping off at me on the pitch like he seems to enjoy, I'd not be taking it.'"


Feel the same. Undoubtedly an incredible talent and a proper game-changer but that part of his game is getting worse and I have a feeling if we don't take active steps to teach him to rein it in, or channel it into his performance instead that it's going to be his undoing. All the positive spin we've had on it 'He wants to win', 'at least he cares' etc are valid but what separates kids from pros is the pros take that anger and frustration and turn it into performance. All this back chat and stropping always end up being detrimental. Opposition will just wind him up and he'll lose his head. People don't go out to wind up the players who'll take that and turn it into game-winning moments imho

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From my own perspective when I used to play, I had matches where I suspect I came across a bit like Harry.

In my opinion, with all his injuries, he has come back, too determined and desperate to make up for lost time. Essentially, he is too pumped up to succeed. Clearly, he has overstepped the mark on quite a few occasions and possibly his over keenness to make up for lost time has got him trying to overperform to a point where its affecting his performance, his thinking and he is underperforming.

Hopefully, Rohan can speak to him positively and constructively to get him to use his determination and motivation in the best way. Personally, I would tell him not to try be too involved and take a step back a little and his form will come.

I think the one criticism with Watkin's was that I felt he was a little soft and didn't want it that much. Talentwise he was world class but he didn't want it as much as Harry and didn't always come looking to affect games sometimes. Whereas, Harry is the opposite, he wants it too much. He needs a balance between Watkin's and himself.

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Yeah good comments - of course all of this is moot if the lad can't get and stay fit. He seems to pull up almost every game with a limp of some kind. As has been said on here before, some bodies are just not cut out for RL (mine certainly isn't!).

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Quote: KaeruJim "Would you switch Newman and play Mom right hand side then?'"


I think this is going to be an interesting one.

I'd want to see Momirovski playing inside Fusitu'a. I think Fusi will get much more clean ball that way, and score more tries. Something he has lacked a little this season.

I also think Newman is naturally better at passing the ball to the left than right. He seems to have struggled putting the long right pass in at times. Both of these would suggest that Harry should wear the number 4 shirt next season.

But, I then think the left side would be a defensive weak point. Both Newman and Handley have a tendency to stray from their channel when defending, and both can miss tackles. I'd prefer Mom on the left in defence to give a bit more stability.

If I was Rohan, I'd be tempted to trial having Newman and Momirovski switch positions depending on who has possession of the ball.

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Most teams attack left to right due to the relative ease of passing that way. In that case you’d want your best defenders on your right, meaning Mom is 3 & Harry is 4.

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Quote: batleyrhino "Most teams attack left to right due to the relative ease of passing that way. In that case you’d want your best defenders on your right, meaning Mom is 3 & Harry is 4.'"


One of them isn't correct. You'd be putting your weaker defender on their left, facing the attackers right. Or am I misreading?

Instead of putting the two stronger defenders (Fusi and Mom) on one side, and the two weaker defenders (Newman and Handley) on the other, I'd mix them up.

I can't find stats on Super League, but this seasons NRL stats show that the percentage of tries scored per area are 36.5% for left channel, 24% for middle, 39.5% for right channel. So there isn't that much in it.

Some clubs have bigger percentages one way, and some others, which obviously depends on players and playing style.

I'm sure Rohan has better access to relevant stats though, and will know on a team by team basis which sides needs an emphasis on defence.

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id play to the stronger attacking threat, mom and fus together for me.

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Interesting decision for Rohan to make. My personal opinion would be Newman/Handley and Mom/Fus. This is based on Newman more likely to break a line and Handley has always been good in support. Whereas Mom more likely to draw a defender and release the winger which would be better for Fus. But hey, nice to be in this position… just hope the back five can stay fit long enough to string some proper games together.

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Quote: YoRhino "Interesting decision for Rohan to make. My personal opinion would be Newman/Handley and Mom/Fus. This is based on Newman more likely to break a line and Handley has always been good in support. Whereas Mom more likely to draw a defender and release the winger which would be better for Fus. But hey, nice to be in this position… just hope the back five can stay fit long enough to string some proper games together.'"


Agree with this. Mom isn't as explosive as Nene but he has a far better rugby brain, much better step and passer, also defensively much better. I think he's suited to Fusi more but what do i know icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Leeds_Luke "One of them isn't correct. You'd be putting your weaker defender on their left, facing the attackers right. Or am I misreading?

Instead of putting the two stronger defenders (Fusi and Mom) on one side, and the two weaker defenders (Newman and Handley) on the other, I'd mix them up.

I can't find stats on Super League, but this seasons NRL stats show that the percentage of tries scored per area are 36.5% for left channel, 24% for middle, 39.5% for right channel. So there isn't that much in it.

Some clubs have bigger percentages one way, and some others, which obviously depends on players and playing style.

I'm sure Rohan has better access to relevant stats though, and will know on a team by team basis which sides needs an emphasis on defence.'"


Yeah you're right, I meant attack Right to Left. With Mom at 3 and Harry at 4 we would have our best defender against their most likely attack, and our best line breaker receiving more ball when we attack.

I meant the other left... icon_lol.gif

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