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[quote:1pqtnbtj]Every player in our squad could probably earn more money with another club. But they prefer to sacrifice a few extra quid in their back pocket to share special memories. And playing at a place like Old Trafford on a night like this makes it all worthwhile.[/quote:1pqtnbtj] Kevin Sinfield:982.jpg



Quote: Saddened! "I was not. You assume too much.
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I assume nothing. Your post is clear. It couldn't be clearer. There's even a laughter emoticon.

Homophobe.

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My opinion that Bailey is an average player is hardly irrational either.'"
Judgeing his abilities I have no issue with. Its' the rabid posts describing him as "dirty" "thug" and "cheap shot merchant" etc that are impossible to explain other than being racially motivated, whether subconsciously or not.

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Quote: G1 "I assume nothing. Your post is clear. It couldn't be clearer. There's even a laughter emoticon.

Homophobe.

Judgeing his abilities I have no issue with. Its' the rabid posts describing him as "dirty" "thug" and "cheap shot merchant" etc that are impossible to explain other than being racially motivated, whether subconsciously or not.'"


The laughing emoticon is prior to the supposidly homophobic slur, so therefore, not related to it.

You won't find any posts of mine featuring the words dirty, thug or cheap shot merchant either, although I'm sure you'll attempt to trawl up some inference to said phrases.

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[quote:1pqtnbtj]Every player in our squad could probably earn more money with another club. But they prefer to sacrifice a few extra quid in their back pocket to share special memories. And playing at a place like Old Trafford on a night like this makes it all worthwhile.[/quote:1pqtnbtj] Kevin Sinfield:982.jpg



Quote: Saddened! "The laughing emoticon is prior to the supposidly homophobic slur, so therefore, not related to it.

You won't find any posts of mine featuring the words dirty, thug or cheap shot merchant either, although I'm sure you'll attempt to trawl up some inference to said phrases.'"
I'll take your 2nd paragrah at face value. You're not a racist but clearly you're a homophobe.

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Quote: Saddened! "So, in all seriousness, forgetting the childish banter about the Fa'asavalu tackle and the WWE chest beating that followed it, how highly do you rate Mr Bailey? Higher than Fielden? Higher than Thackray? Higher than Leuleuai? Higher than Carvell? Higher than Luke Burgess? Higher than Peacock? Higher than Graham?'"


No one's answered this, so here goes.

Fielden: Definitely
Thackray: ditto
Leulaui: 50/50
Carvell: narrowly
Burgess: deffo, though with experience maybe Burgess will be as good/better. But maybe not.
Peacock: no
Graham: depends on the type of game. Even though we lost on friday, I'd take Bailey's showing over Graham's.

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Quote: Clearwing "No one's answered this, so here goes.

Fielden

whaaaaaaaat??????

This has to be a joke post, surely

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Quote: Clearwing "No one's answered this, so here goes.

Fielden

I suspect that most Sainst fans would have Bailey over Fa'asavalu and possibly Cayless. I would love to have Graham at Leeds but I am also very happy with Peacock, Leuluai, Bailey, Burgess and Kirke as my props and don't feel that Graham would be a worthwhile signing within the salary cap.

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icon_lol.gif Glad to see it went down so well.

I'd infer from your response that you'd rate Bailey less highly than all the other props on that list. The fact that Bailey commands a place in the most successful squad of the last 5 years suggests that you're of the opinion that Tony Smith and Brian McClennan know less about RL than you do. Maybe you could explain how you arrived at that conclusion?

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Quote: Clearwing " The fact that Bailey commands a place in the most successful squad of the last 5 years suggests that you're of the opinion that Tony Smith and Brian McClennan know less about RL than you do. Maybe you could explain how you arrived at that conclusion?'"


No, it suggests there is a salary cap, and every side has to make do with it's plodders.

Why do you think Saints retained Mike Bennett for all those years?

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Fielden: Definitely
Thackray: Definitely. That's why we released him and kept bailey. D'urgh,
Leulaui: Irrelevant.
Carvell: Definitely
Burgess: Irrelevant
Peacock: Irrelevant
Graham: No.

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Bailey is nowhere near as good as Carvell, but the rest of the list is about right. Thackray is the worst player of the names mentioned.

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I'm afraid anyone who take Ryan Bailey over Gareth Carvell needs their head read (unless you're taking injuries into account).

I'm not one to normally quote stats, but prop's probably the one position above others that it doesn't really lie ie, meters made, number of carries, metres per carry, tackles made.

(on this season) Bailey doesn't really show up that well on that front, not even compared to Stuart Fielden. Although it can't show some of the effect he can on the game - ie, riling the opposition.

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Quote: Offside Monkey "I'm afraid anyone who take Ryan Bailey over Gareth Carvell needs their head read (unless you're taking injuries into account).

I'm not one to normally quote stats, but prop's probably the one position above others that it doesn't really lie ie, meters made, number of carries, metres per carry, tackles made.

(on this season) Bailey doesn't really show up that well on that front, not even compared to Stuart Fielden. Although it can't show some of the effect he can on the game - ie, riling the opposition.'"


It also doesn't show some of the other aspects of the game which are important. i.e. time ont he pitch, what role you are on the pitch, whether you actually played prop. You do realize that Bailey has played in the second row at times this year rather than prop? If you dont then your response is irrelevant, just like the stats you quote.

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Quote: Offside Monkey "I'm not one to normally quote stats, but prop's probably the one position above others that it doesn't really lie ie, meters made, number of carries, metres per carry, tackles made.

(on this season) Bailey doesn't really show up that well on that front, not even compared to Stuart Fielden. Although it can't show some of the effect he can on the game - ie, riling the opposition.'"


Metres made, number of carries and tackles made largely depend on the amount of time spent on the field. Without factoring that in, these stats are largely meaningless. Even metres per carry will be affected, as a prop who plays 40 mins per game would, in most cases, make more metres per carry than one who played the full 80 say.

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