Agree with Charlie . Hall is valuable both in attack and defensive carries , Watkins is vital to us he just never gets any quality ball and why get rid of Cuthbertson . Burrow still quality as an interchange . Would release/retire Mags , JJB , Ferres , Mullaly , Briscoe , Aston , Suttclife , Walters and Galloway .

Not sure about Golding , certainly do not think he is big enough or strong enough for full back

Shouldn't Leeds already be sitting on a fair wedge given who's retired recently?

1. Ashton Golding; [2018]
2. Tom Briscoe; [2018]
3. Kallum Watkins; [2019]
4. Joel Moon; [2018] - NFT
5. Ryan Hall; [2018]
6. ???
7. ???
8. Brad Singleton; [2018]
9. Matt Parcell; [2019] - NFT OQ
10. Adam Cuthbertson; [2018] - NFT
11. Brett Ferres; [2019]
12. Carl Ablett; [2018]
13. Stevie Ward; [2020]
14. Liam Sutcliffe; [2017]
15. Jimmy Keinhorst; [2018]
16. ???
17. Mitch Garbutt; [2019] - NFT OQ
18. ???
19. Jack Ormondroyd; [2019]
20. Jordan Lilley; [2017]
21. Jordan Baldwinson; [2017]
22. Ashley Handley; [2017]
23. Cameron Smith [2019]
24. Mikolaj Oledzki; [2021]
25. Joshua Jordan-Roberts; [2018]
26. Cory Aston; [2018]
27. ???
28. ???
29. ???
30. ???

Leaving 6, 7, 16, 18 free for new signings. three spaces free on the non fed trained & two spaces on the overseas quota.

Bullseye ,
What has happened is that other players have taken large pay increases . Such as Hall and Watkins plus i guess Garbutt , Cuthbertson , Parcell , Galloway and Ferres have not come cheaply so Sinfields and Peacocks wages have been swallowed up

Burrow hasn't been of a good enough quality for any side with aspirations of a top 4 finish for quite a few years imho. Square peg, round hole for a few years IMO

There's a lot of babies disappearing over the horizon with all the bathwater getting thrown out at the moment.

What else would you expect after the calamitous defeat at the Battle of Hastings (10-66) last Thursday?

Whilst I agree with some of the observations on which players should be culled/retired, I just cannot see GH making the sort of wholesale changes that are being advocated as I just don't see him bringing in the 4/5/6 players of real 1st team quality we require (even though I feel it's necessary) to see us challenging at the top end of the table again for honours.

I wouldn't be surprised if we just lose Magsy and JJB to retirement and try and bring in Widdop and a line breaking/mungrel forward.

Personally though I'd try and get rid of Walters (just don't see what he brings to the table and I fear his career here is destined just to be remembered as the guy who scored the GF winning try in 2015) and unless his injury record improves Delaney as well as I assume he's on decent money and other than wholehearted effort and body on the line kind of attitude (when fit and firing) what else does he bring as he certainly isn't a line breaker and doesn't have a pass or offload game in him (despite being signed as a centre) Granted he's been a great servant to us but I think we've had his best years now as his body appears to have 'cried enough' and he appears to be now just a plodder who gives his all but we have too many forwards like that already and IMO we need something different in the pack to compliment what we have.

We either need a brute with mongrel that can 'skittle' defenders out of the way and give us go forward and a quick PTB for Parcell and/or a skillfull and pacey back rower with an offloading game so that we are not completely over reliant on Cuthbo for that

On the subject of Cuthbo, if we hadn't seen the 2015 version then I think most would be wanting rid of him as well

The 'problem' with our pack that I see is that it's all 'much of a muchness' in terms of size/shape/build and pace (or lack of)

Golding is still learning, and has a lot of developing to do physically before we can determine weather he's the long term solution in that position, Handley is way off the required standard in terms of kick returns and defensive positioning. Briscoe has barely been able to string half a dozen games together, and probably hasn't had a decent game since Wembley. Keinhorst is a good player, but he wouldn't get in any RL side before Moon or Watkins. There's nobody in the 19s ready to step up next season in the backs so you're probably going to have to break the bank for a replacement from outside of the club, and given the fact that we're in dire need of investment in other areas, it would be madness to let any of our backline go. It would weaken us further and strengthen our rivals massively.

IMO we need a fresh coaching set up, and 3 or 4 new players in the halves and forwards, release the likes of Delaney, Walters, let McGuire retire, and give Burrow a player/coaching role. I think there's a lot of talent in our squad, and I think the best thing to do would to see if a new coaching team can improve them and bring in a bit more guile and class into the team before we write off the current squad.

Just on the subject of Cuthbo imo a lot of his "demise" is due to the workload he is now required to do.
He was never a "workhorse" type of prop but because we have'nt adjusted to losing JP he is becoming ineffective at what made him so good in 2015.

I think Cuthbertson has actually started the season quite well, and letting our only ball handling prop go would be madness at the moment.

Really think he is no better than last year and everyone made the excuse he wasn't fit - very disappointing for me a one season wonder who has been found out and whose impact has been negated

I'd agree with that, at times last year it seemed he was just trying to do too much, carrying the ball early in the set and trying to ball play at the back end of the set invariably led to errors.

I'd also agree with the poster a bit further up that all our forwards are much of a muchness, especially in the back row with plenty of workhorses but no bite.

More than anything else I think our biggest problem is the halves. Yes they are not helped by the lack of men in motion etc but that has never really been the way we have played.

I'd agree with that. He is currently our main attacking threat and ball player and targeted.

Cuthbertson as a straight up and down prop is average at best. He had a completely mediocre NRL career and was released by the Knights because he was adding nothing. If you take away 2015, and look at what he's contributed since, I can't see how you could make a case that you shouldn't do better from an import. Playing badly on a regular basis because they are 'trying to do too much/too hard' is an excuse I've heard down the years which has never made any sense - if that's genuinely the case then he's brain dead.

I'm with those who would hope we keep the good backs we have rather than try to offload them to buy strength elsewhere. The idea that good wingers are ten a penny is nonsense - before Hall we had Calderwood, then Cummins, then I'm struggling to think of any quality through the juniors over 30 years. Centres are even less common, so I'd keep Watkins and actually try to play to his strengths rather than flop him the odd ball flat in no space.

Being realistic we will probably only see 2 or 3 changes for next year. What we need to see is quality, targeting key positions. There should always be a place for project players, but right now its the core of the team which is a disaster.

More importantly we just look like a badly coached team with zero confidence or idea what we're trying to do in attack and absolutely hopeless under any kind of pressure in defence. That won't be fixed by bringing in Thurston, let alone a Widdopp. I just don't see us getting anywhere without wholesale changes in coaching and conditioning.