Meh, you're not going to win anything if you're conceding 30-40 points a game, no matter how good, or bad your attack is. We're desperate for some steel in the middle of our defence.

Having said that, I'm not that bothered with how the seasons panned out. Yes, it' disappointing, but given the injuries, quad turnover and pre-season disruption I can't say I'm all that surprised.

Time to start planning for next season.

Yeah, defense is definately the bigger problem, in most games this year we've scored enough points to win. It all stems from our trouble controlling the ruck (so do the penalties, the ones that aren't from lazy high shots).

It annoys me because a good 70% of defense is down to effort, and from a lot of the players, and worryingly the senior ones more than youngsters or fringe players, there has been a lack of effort and pride in the shirt. To be fair some like Cuthbo, Hardaker and JJB have tried too hard which is also a problem, whether with the other players it is some complex your or in the case of new arrivals not buying into the club I don't know.

What I do know is something has to change, now in this game you can change a lot of players, or one man the coach, and unfortuantely for Mac, we all know which route teams go down first.

Not dropping the ball so often would be a start, nothing the coach can do about that.

Not disagreeing, but changing coach is generally the first option, and in many cases it does work. I am in no way trying to ignore some of the dire individual performances and mistakes we've seen this year.

Usually, I'd probably want the coach out, but given the success McDermott has had, and the problems he's been faced with in terms of his squad, and training facilities then he deserves the full season to try, and turn this around, especially since the since is done now.

Perhaps GH could break out one of his kick up the backside speeches? Much like the when he questioned if the previous squad had run its course? I'll change my statement from something has to change, to something different has to be done.

Not sure how giving McDermott the remainder of the season is going to help. The season is dead and buried. If he is going to have a successor then surely better now so that the new coach has chance to assess, develop and work with what he has for the start of the 2017 season.
By keeping McDermott at the helm, who has obviously ran out of ideas, the season is just going to limp on into a possible poor showing in the middle 8's ...to the point that even that could - the gods forbid - turn turtle

As a Cas fan I would agree whole heartedly that Zac, Cuthbo, and JJB are trying too hard.

One thing I have noticed on the televised game is that none of the senior players seems to be able to get a response when trying to gee the players up. Some of the younger players who are without doubt very talented don't seem to take kindly to on field rollockings.

We were awful with the rare & very odd bright spark of invention.
Singo 18th man Baldwinson nowhere near yet Achurch starts L.Briscoe on the bench?
Season over deserved to lose just to add though if the Refs controllers are consistent Thaler can book a long W/E away next week he was as bad as we were.
P.s-Time to go Bri!

So you'd want a 4 prop bench?

1st of all both Singo & Cuthbo are comfortable at 13 & secondly Achurch does t warrant a shirt.

Better a 4 prop bench than a 2 poop (Briscoe and Achurch) bench ......

13 is essentially a third prop. Trust me I don't want to see Achurch in the 17 but you have to have different roles/variety on your bench.

So how would you have altered the lineup mid-match if one of the backs/halves/hooker got injured and Briscoe wasn't on the bench? Baldwinson to stand off and Singleton to wing?

Tonight was woeful. Nobody very good, attack is hopeless. We are relying on interceptions and one-off breaks. The need for a hooker who can make 30-40 tackles a game is critical. This pack has too many poor and/or slow forwards to cope. If this injury nightmare goes on, this team can go down IMHO