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Quote: Juan Cornetto "In the Wigan game Kirke went off injured and only had few minutes on the field yet he still managed to almost double the average gain on Bailey with 32 metres in 3 carries.'"


Are all metres gained the same?

I wondered at the time if Kirke's metre stats were correct and as he was only on for a very short stint I bothered to check them. As it happens I think his 3 carries for 32 metres is fairly accurate but not all the metres were hard fought, indeed if I recall correctly more than half of them came courtesy of the kick return from the monster 70 metre drop out by Pat Richards.

Stats can be mis-leading without further analysis even when they are accurate and those posters who like to refer to them will surely appreciate how a small sample such as Kirke's in that game, which included a cheap metre return, can skew the results when averaged.

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[quote:1pqtnbtj]Every player in our squad could probably earn more money with another club. But they prefer to sacrifice a few extra quid in their back pocket to share special memories. And playing at a place like Old Trafford on a night like this makes it all worthwhile.[/quote:1pqtnbtj] Kevin Sinfield:982.jpg



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[quote:1pqtnbtj]Every player in our squad could probably earn more money with another club. But they prefer to sacrifice a few extra quid in their back pocket to share special memories. And playing at a place like Old Trafford on a night like this makes it all worthwhile.[/quote:1pqtnbtj] Kevin Sinfield:982.jpg



Quote: Juan Cornetto "But this year Kirke makes more metres per carry than Bailey who is so easily tackled in what you would call a "powder puff sort of way. And as I have pointed out Bailey doesn't make that many carries himself yet is on the field for usually many more minutes than Kirke. Does this mean he too merits your moniker of "Cowardly Lion" as he goes to ground so easily when the hunters come near him.'"

Meters or not Bailey's collision is rarely powder puff unlike the Big Friendly Giant.

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[quote:1pqtnbtj]Every player in our squad could probably earn more money with another club. But they prefer to sacrifice a few extra quid in their back pocket to share special memories. And playing at a place like Old Trafford on a night like this makes it all worthwhile.[/quote:1pqtnbtj] Kevin Sinfield:982.jpg



Quote: SBRhino "I don't know why Kirke doesn't take the ball up,maybe you should ask him.'"
I do, he doesn't like the big nasty fellas in the opposition that might hit him hard.

Sorry if my candor is upsetting for you but I am sick of Kirke shirking. He's been defended in the past as playing an important role as an oxygen supply for Peacock, a role he seemed content to fill. What's his excuse now?

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My rationale for not renewing Kirke is because of the retention of JP and Leuluai. Quite frankly we can afford to try a few wannabees out as a replacement for Kirke, and it won't matter hugely if it takes a while to find someone. But I wouldn't want to be doing that at the same time as replacing JP and Leuluai - which now seems quite likely. We cannot afford a mistake replacing them. The last thing we need is to be trying to replace three first choice forwards at the same time.

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It has been clear for a while they were carrying a big risk with your top two props at 35 years old. I dont think Peacocks knee will last enough year we need at least two new good props for next year. But I really dont think the Mcdermott has the ability tio say to JP its time to pack it.

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Should McDermott tell JP when to pack in?
IMO that should come from Peacock himself or the Medical team. Only Peacock knows how is body is feeling and he made the decision to retire from international Rugby. Prior to this injury he has been in great form, as has Kylie.

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Players get injured in rugby league it kind of goes with the territory. It's hardly as if Peacock was walking down the street minding his own business when his knee went or he can't get out of bed for two days after a match. That's the time to retire - not now.

When he returns I expect he'll get injured again at some time in the future and I also suspect he'll eventually decide to hang up his boots but as long as in the meantime he is earning selection I'd like to have him around the team. He's having a fantastic season - when not having to play while carrying a knock.

Was the injury he picked up at Huddersfield on the same knee that got buckled at Bradford in the previous week's match? Shows how important he is to the team that the coach didn't appear able to afford the time for that injury to settle/recover before sending him in to battle again - but perhaps that's a symptom of starting the season with a barely adequate squad and unloading a fit and healthy 1st grade International prop from within it that you used in 32 games out of 37 in 2012 while also not showing faith in the remaining alternatives.

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I'd say Brian is under serious pressure now. Although he can always point his critics to the trophy wins he's masterminded.

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Quote: Bruce_Forsyth "I'd say Brian is under serious pressure now. Although he can always point his critics to the trophy wins he's masterminded.'"


Not sure if you're serious?

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I doubt it with so many injuries!!

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Quote: Bruce_Forsyth "I'd say Brian is under serious pressure now. Although he can always point his critics to the trophy wins he's masterminded.'"


He should be under no pressure , he can barely put a team on the pitch at the moment . he is still in credit IMO .

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Why would he be under pressure when we are still in a better position than we have been in at this point for the past 2 years.

Fickle fans p*** me off.

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That's debatable.

This time last year Leeds were the current World Club Champions and still involved in the eventual money spinner that is the Challenge Cup.

Perhaps McDermott can find a spot in the play-offs where Leeds can avoid facing Huddersfield - currently the best team in Yorkshire - perhaps he's going to need you with a recent record of L, L, L, L, L - and none have been particularly close contests either.

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Quote: tvoc "Perhaps McDermott can find a spot in the play-offs where Leeds can avoid facing Huddersfield - currently the best team in Yorkshire - perhaps he's going to need you with a recent record of L, L, L, L, L - and none have been particularly close contests either.'"


McDermott is just helping out his old teammates Anderson and Fielden (like he has with Lowes and Peacock too) and I'm sure he'll get serious when the games get serious.

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